Just to nit pick a bit, you're not to the right of the bike lane when you want to turn right onto Mineral Point from southbound Segoe - you're sitting right in the bike lane at that point.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:56 AM, William Obermeyer <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree that it is a good question that needs a clear answer. At first, it > seemed obvious to me that someone driving a car would use the parking lane > (to the right of the bike lane on Segoe) to make a right-on-red - or any > right turn. Upon reflection, though, that's not so clear from a driver's > seat. That still seems to me to be the right choice, but some kind of > marking/signage would be needed to make that clear. > > > On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:42 AM, STRAWSER, Charles wrote: > >> I think it's a good question. And this is a good place to discuss it, as I >> think a forum for motorists would mostly conclude an arguably correct answer >> but because of the wrong reasons. >> >> I'm not that familiar with the area being discussed, so I'll speak in general >> terms here: >> >> If the bike lane is intended for through (not turning) cyclists, then it's >> arguable perfectly reasonable and legal for a car to sit in the bike lane >> while waiting to turn right on red. After all, a bicyclist who wanted to go >> straight would have to wait for the green light anyway. This is why many bike >> lanes in this situation would go from a solid white land to a dashed white >> line as they approach the intersection, which helps to indicate merging >> traffic. >> >> On the other hand, that would not be the ideal street design. If the lane is >> intended for through cyclists, and there are a lot of (Motor Vehicle) right >> turns there, then the lane should be striped to the left of a right turn lane >> (that could be used by both MVs and cyclists, of course). >> >> But there may not be room at this location for everything, which means a >> decision is made to better allocate space on the street to some movements >> over others. Typically allocation is made according to the majority of >> existing movements, but of course this tends to enforce the negative feedback >> loop of - no bicyclists (or pedestrians) here, so no (more or better) >> facilities needed for them here. >> >> Chuck Strawser >> Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner >> Commuter Solutions >> Transportation Services >> UW-Madison >> Room 124 WARF >> 610 Walnut St >> Madison WI 53726 >> 608-263-2969 >> www.wisc.edu/trans >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric White >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:36 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Public Hearing to Discuss Segoe Rd. Protected BikeLane >> Extension >> >> I don't mean for it to be counterproductive. I'm a year-round bike >> commuter. I also sometimes drive a car on Segoe. And I'm pretty sure >> I'm not the only one who sometimes drives this street who is honestly >> confused as to the proper driver behavior at this intersection. >> Asking a list, say, devoted to driving a car would probably give me a >> "sure, why couldn't you sit in the bike lane?" response. I thought >> folks here might have a more insightful (read "correct") answer. >> >> My apologies if that's counterproductive. >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:27 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> You know, as a bikie list serve this question seems counterproductive. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric White >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:45 PM >>> To: William Obermeyer >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Public Hearing to Discuss Segoe Rd. Protected Bike >>> Lane Extension >>> >>> Ha. Sorry. Should have noted that my question assumes I'm driving, >>> not pedaling here. Can I sit in a car in the bike lane hear and turn >>> right on red? >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:41 PM, William Obermeyer >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> There's already a bike lane stub that begins just before the Segoe-Mineral >>> Point intersection, and whether you can make a safe right on red is a >>> function of the traffic, which is often heavy. There's some danger of a >>> right-hook, but _most_ drivers I've encountered seem aware of the problem. >>>> Even so, I wouldn't do it. I find that stretch of Mineral Point so >>> miserable for bike riding, and the Mineral Point-Midvale intersection so >>> unfriendly (on Mineral Point) that I'd sturn right on Keating and take that >>> eastbound. Even though there's no light at the Keating-Midvale >>> intersection, it feels more bike friendly (to me) than the Mineral Point - >>> Midvale intersection. >>>> (Note: I have not had any problems making right turns from the bike lane >>> on Segoe north of MPRd - presumably the model for the proposed bike lanes >>> south of MPRd) >>>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Eric White wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have a question about this bike lane. If I'm heading N on Segoe and >>>>> I want to turn R on Mineral Point, can I wait in the bike lane and >>>>> turn right on red there? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Amanda White <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>> The City is seeking public feedback on extending the Segoe Rd. separated >>>>>> bike lane past Mineral Point Road to Odana Road. This would eliminate a >>>>>> through traffic lane in both directions on Segoe. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a great opportunity and I hope some of you will be able to attend >>> and >>>>>> voice your support of this project. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wed. 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