why do people prefer garages to carports? why do people prefer underground car parking to on-street parking? it's really not some kind of fetish that you're making it out to be. they are warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer. they are out of the way of the hustle and bustle. protected. you don't have to walk in the pouring rain or whatever the weather might be to get from your bike to the building or to your bike from the building. if it's really raining hard, rain comes from 180 degrees, not just from overhead. the ramp to the garage is something you can easily find. covered bike racks aren't so easy to find. i haven't gone back to union south looking for them, but i certainly didn't find them on the rainy day last week when i was shooed out of the garage. the garage-monitor didn't bother to tell me where i'd find them or that they existed.
now that you have some reasons, not only should you reconsider future plans, but reconsider the union south garage bike ban. shear off the ends of the gates and run a cable along a wall in the garage and you'll create a bunch of high quality bike parking at little out-of-pocket cost and no opportunity cost. --- Robert F. Nagel [email protected] www.nagel-law.com Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 Madison, WI 53703 608-255-1501 office 608-255-1504 fax 608-438-9501 cell On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:14 AM, STRAWSER, Charles <[email protected]>wrote: > ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** > > And I still don’t understand why covered bike parking at street level is an > unacceptable alternative to parking bikes in garage for you.**** > > I’ve already discussed why other cyclists do NOT want bike parking in some > garages, which means that the covered bike parking we have provided at Union > South works for women who don’t want to enter garages, and it should work > for you as well. But apparently it does not.**** > > ** ** > > If you could explain why covered bike parking at street level does not meet > your needs, I’ll make sure your concerns are considered in all future > construction projects.**** > > ** ** > > Chuck Strawser > Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner > Commuter Solutions > Transportation Services > UW-Madison > Room 124 WARF > 610 Walnut St > Madison WI 53726 > 608-263-2969 > www.wisc.edu/trans **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf > Of *Robert F. Nagel > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:46 PM > *To:* **STRAWSER, Charles** > *Cc:* Matt Logan; bikies > *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] rant about union south parking garage bike ban**** > > ** ** > > i'm unsatisfied; before the word bike station every crossed anybody's lips, > autos and bikes didn't really seem to have such problems coexisting in > parking garages; i can't think of a single other parking garage in town that > doesn't have a rusty bike rack in it somewhere and that has deliberately run > the gate arms all the way up to a cement wall and guards the place with a > monitor to shoo bikes way; i just parked my bike this afternoon in the > concourse hotel's parking garage, one floor below the street in a bike rack > at least as old as the hotel; not glitzy, but it works > --- > Robert F. Nagel > [email protected] > www.nagel-law.com > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor > ****30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001**** > ****Madison**, **WI** **53703**** > 608-255-1501 office > 608-255-1504 fax > 608-438-9501 cell > > **** > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:50 AM, **STRAWSER, Charles** < > [email protected]> wrote:**** > > Matt said: So why not plan on accommodating the current demand + induced > demand?**** > > **** > > That is Transportation Services’ plan, but it is not everyone’s plan. Also, > the number of bicyclists we are seeing is increasing faster than our > development plans, and in many cases, (like the Memorial Union) the space on > the ground simply isn’t adequate to accommodate the peak number of > bicyclists no matter what you do.**** > > **** > > For example, last spring Transportation Services used the most current data > I had collected to ask for 20% more bike parking at Memorial Union than the > peak demand we had observed (the 20% latent demand we estimated was really > just an educated guess). UW Campus Planning and their consultant design firm > responded by proposing 8.25% more bike parking than the peak demand we had > observed.**** > > **** > > Three weeks ago we finished collecting data again, and guess what? The new > demand we observed at Memorial Union is 8.5% greater than the last round of > observations. So we recently started asking for new demand plus 20%. But the > plans for Memorial Union have progressed to the point now that allocating > substantially more space for bike parking means basically scrapping the > current site design and starting over. Does anyone think that’s > realistically going to happen with a project that was supposed to start this > January but is behind schedule enough that it is unlikely to start before > 2012 commencement now?**** > > **** > > Transportation Services does not get the last word in every aspect of > hundred million dollar construction projects with many competing objectives. > We push as hard as we can push for our needs to get met, and it is making a > difference. A few years ago, major construction projects like Union South > and Memorial Union would have, at best, replaced the previously existing > number of racks without considering (or even really knowing) current demand, > let alone latent demand. Now we typically get something more than current > demand, but probably less than future demand will be. I’d call that > progress.**** > > **** > > It would help if the city would start to require an adequate number of bike > parking spaces at properties that are currently exempt from the city’s bike > parking requirements because they were built before the requirements were > adopted. There are many, many UW racks that overflowing because they are > across the street from private housing that has little or no bike parking > (or UW Housing that has an inadequate number of racks – and UW Housing is > supposed to provide and maintain their own racks).**** > > So UW Transportation Services ends up providing bike parking not just for > bicyclists coming to campus buildings, but also for the residents who live > across the street from the ****Pyle** **Center****, or on ****State > St****near Memorial Library, Union South or Computer Science, or anywhere > between > ****University Ave****, Regent, Monroe, and Park Streets.**** > > **** > > Where is the long term bike parking plan for the downtown/campus area, and > how is it coming along?**** > > **** > > Chuck Strawser > Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner > Commuter Solutions > Transportation Services > UW-Madison > Room 124 WARF > 610 Walnut St > Madison WI 53726 > 608-263-2969 > www.wisc.edu/trans **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Matt Logan [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Matt Logan > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:19 AM > *To:* **STRAWSER, Charles**; 'Robert F. Nagel' > *Cc:* 'bikies' > *Subject:* RE: [Bikies] rant about union south parking garage bike ban**** > > **** > > “So we are steadily making progress, but it will take us several years to > meet our current goals (and, like the construction of more road capacity for > cars, when you plan to meet peak demand, your target capacity is constantly > increasing).”**** > > **** > > So why not plan on accommodating the current demand + induced demand?**** > > **** > > ** ** >
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