That's the policy. Unless there is death, bodily injury or
property damage, officers do not issue citations for things they have
not actually witnessed and could testify to.
Bill
At 01:21 PM 5/21/2014, Mitchell Nussbaum wrote:
My understanding is that the police have a policy of not issuing
tickets for traffic violations they didn't witness. (Can someone
confirm that or correct me?) But I think they do make exceptions in
egregious situations, and this may be one of them.
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From: "Paul T. O'Leary" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 8:49:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Contraflow Lane on University
Indeed, by what stretch of the imagination is this NOT a violation?
Wouldn't this have constituted running the red light, even if no
vehicles were coming from either of the TWO directions of TRAFFIC?
If a cop had seen the perp make this turn, even without any crash,
wouldn't he have been ticketed?
On 2014/05/19 20:42, India Viola wrote:
I didn't visualize your situation until Mitch pointed out that this
was an illegal left on red from University onto Mills.
The driver should definitely have been ticketed. We should each
file a complaint to the police department (Aaron- was it University
police or Madison police?) about this situation.
india
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On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:46 PM, India Viola
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry Aaron. That sucks.
Glad you are both physically unharmed.
Riding with precious cargo ups the ante in a big way, doesn't it?
Thanks for sharing. It's a good reminder that (unfortunately) we
usually need to ride as if drivers can't/don't see us.
india
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On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Aaron Crandall
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
What are the chances?
I was biking down University in the contraflow lane with my daughter
(Mali) behind me in the trailer yesterday and had the green light at
Mills, but noticed the driver and passenger of a green Audi both
staring down University in the other direction watching for traffic.
Instead of stopping and making sure to make eye contact, I proceeded
since I assumed the driver would be respecting the red light and
stay stopped. I was wrong!
As soon as me and Mali were smack-dab in front, the driver decided
to instead treat the red light like it was a stop sign and
unfortunately for me and Mali, did not notice the bike lane with
traffic coming from the opposite direction...CRASH! Thank goodness
for me and Mali, especially Mali, that he did not take off more
quickly than he did, and reacted quickly by braking. Ultimately, we
think he crashed into the bike trailer, which caused me to go down
to the ground, and we're thankful that Mali was in the seat on my
left, so further away from the impact.
Amazingly enough, it doesn't appear that any damage was done to
either my bike or the trailer, but my wife probably almost suffered
a heart attack from watching while riding behind us on her bike.
Long story short, I'm going to make it more of a priority to ensure
eye contact with others, especially while riding in a contraflow
lane where maybe others users might not be expecting traffic.
The driver was not cited, and the police simply filed a short form,
in case of any necessary insurance claims, etc.
I still can't believe that (a) I was hit and (b) I had Mali with me
in the trailer when it had to happen.
Aaron
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Paul T. O'Leary
Chronic Nuisance
Madison, WI USA
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