Friends in the bike community, Chill.
Where the City is replacing the bike ramps it is being done half at a time so that bike and pedestrian traffic can continue to use the path. But in those intersections under construction the remaining ramp area will be less than half its current width. On a path with more than 3000 users per day, common sense, courtesy for other bikers and legal requirements all coincide: two bikes going in opposite directions cannot pass each other safely in a space less than 5 feet wide. We have directed our contractor to place the WALK BIKES signs immediately in advance of the actual constrictions, not for the entire length of path. Nor are we discouraging anyone from using the path. I am sorry to see such harsh words over what is what is such a simple, commonsense precaution to keep people from biking head-on into each other. Tony Fernandez [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> voice: 608-266-9219 fax: 608-264-9275 From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of S. Morris Rose Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:25 PM To: Nelson, Larry Cc: Bikies Subject: Re: [Bikies] Southwest Path Intersection Curb Ramp Work I know, huh? If Rewey says it, I, for one, rush out to do it without applying any of that judgment stuff I've heard about. Just back from fucking myself, for example. Felt funny doing it... Here in Vancouver, the Off-Broadway bike path - the most-used path in the city - has been seeing construction all summer. Mostly, that's meant that two or three blocks are under active construction, which means that cyclists need to pop over to the lane (think "alley") for those blocks, which isn't too bad - motor vehicles also have to shift routes, though thankfully few choose the lanes. But the entire length of it through Kitsilano is closed with signs that read "Cyclists - dismount and walk on sidewalk." I know of few cyclists that will walk their bikes for two miles because a sign absurdly says so. To the credit of planners, there is a marked detour down an adjacent street two blocks north, which I took today for the first time. Directly next to the detour signage in one of the blocks were signs announcing that the road was closed for what looked like minor work easy to cycle past. There was no evidence that the irony of one sign directing cyclists to detour on a route di-fuckin'-rectly next to another warning us not to go there - both placed by the same agency - was apparent to the sign placers. It does seem to a civilian like myself that a principle of road signage is that it shouldn't put absurd requirements on road users - even bicyclists - just because it could conceivably cover some ass or other some day. What would be better would be if there was a safety smell test applied. That way, when road users see a sign telling them to take some action that inconveniences them, they can have some confidence that, yeah, probably it's smart to cycle around that or even dismount for a few steps. That would lead to the safest outcomes. Shouldn't that be the point of road signage? I think I get it, though. You need to work on a street, you need to put up a sign keeping people off it. The cost of putting up the sign is low, and the cost of not putting it up is high, and that's all that goes into the evaluation. After all, you're there to work on a road, not to coddle road users. And now I'd like to close with a shout-out to all a them construction company lawyers that are trolling bikies looking for the evidence they need to shut down our lawsuits. HI GUYS!!! SEE YOU IN COURT!!! On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Larry D. Nelson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hopefully Brian, you will not be injured. But if you are, I suspect that the contractor's insurance carrier will be very grateful for your email. Rewey, you are a bad influence! From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Brian Mink Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:52 PM To: Michael Rewey Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Southwest Path Intersection Curb Ramp Work I generally ignore the "dismount and walk signs" and feel the same way that Mike does. When vehicle drivers have to walk their cars through construction zones I'll follow the same rule of the road for my bike. Brian Mink [cid:[email protected]] Michael Rewey<mailto:[email protected]> August 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM I await the day when a construction announcement states that drivers will have to walk their cars through a construction zone. Mike Rewey On 28 Aug 2014 at 21:21, Ross, Arthur wrote: NOTICE: REVISED SCHEDULE ON PATH WORK - There will be construction work on the Southwest Path between Randall Ave and Park Street, beginning Tuesday, September 2 and continuing through Friday, September 5. The City´s sidewalk contractor will be replacing street ramps at various locations. Ramps will be replaced half at a time so that the path will remain open for use, but riders will have to dismount and walk bikes through the construction zones. Please be aware and use caution when riding or walking through this area. For questions contact Tony Fernandez in Engineering at [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. Arthur Ross, Pedestrian-Bicycle Coordinator City of Madison Traffic Engineering Division 215 Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd., Suite 100 PO Box 2986 Madison, WI 53701-2986 608/266-6225<tel:608%2F266-6225> _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org [cid:[email protected]] Ross, Arthur<mailto:[email protected]> August 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM NOTICE: REVISED SCHEDULE ON PATH WORK - There will be construction work on the Southwest Path between Randall Ave and Park Street, beginning Tuesday, September 2 and continuing through Friday, September 5. The City's sidewalk contractor will be replacing street ramps at various locations. Ramps will be replaced half at a time so that the path will remain open for use, but riders will have to dismount and walk bikes through the construction zones. Please be aware and use caution when riding or walking through this area. For questions contact Tony Fernandez in Engineering at [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>. Arthur Ross, Pedestrian-Bicycle Coordinator City of Madison Traffic Engineering Division 215 Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd., Suite 100 PO Box 2986 Madison, WI 53701-2986 608/266-6225<tel:608%2F266-6225> _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org ________________________________ [Image removed by sender.]<http://www.avast.com/> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus<http://www.avast.com/> protection is active. _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org -- Scott M. Rose West Point Grey, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Now in my third trimester
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