Thanks Kevin. That's exactly what I was looking for! On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Kevin Luecke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Eric: > > This situation is described on WisDOT's webpage: > > http://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/safety/education/bike/bike-crossing-guide.pdf > > Essentially, you follow the traffic controls as you encounter them: > > - Bicyclists must stop for the stop sign (Harald is correct that stop > signs do not apply to pedestrians). > - Enter the crosswalk in a manner that is consistent with the safe use of > the crosswalk by a pedestrian (you can't jump out in front of approaching > traffic). > - When (if) a motorist stops or yields for you, proceed across. > > That said, I rarely rely on motorists to yield to me, and to be honest, > once I've stopped, I would almost prefer that they just get through the > intersection rather than wait for me to get across. As for some of your > questions... > > - If a car has yielded to a pedestrian, they do not have to stay stopped > for an approaching bicyclist if the bicyclist has a stop or yield sign - > the bicyclist must obey the sign, and then proceed to the crosswalk. > > - If there are no traffic controls, the usual rule of the vehicle on the > left shall yield to the vehicle on the right applies. As you note, it is > often difficult to know if the other traffic has a stop or yield sign, and > because we have so over-signed our streets people assume that if they > don't have a sign, the cross traffic must. > > So in summary: > > - Legally, a bicyclist has the right of way as a bicyclist AFTER they have > stopped, and once they move safely into the crosswalk with crossing > vehicles having enough time to stop. > > - Practically, you should assume that the cars are not going to stop. > > Have a good weekend. > > Kevin > > --- > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Cap City Trail rail crossing in Fitchburg > In my opinion that's definitely one of the unclear cases. The stop sign > should not apply to pedestrians, as traffic control devices only apply to > vehicles. What the situation for cyclists is I have no idea. Do you not > have the right-of-way at all? Do you have to come to a stop, but then you > get the right-of-way that a crosswalk confers to you? If a car stopped for > a pedestrian, do they have to remain stopped for an approaching cyclist? > And how does a person driving know whether there is a stop sign on the bike > trail and therefore the normal rules of a crosswalk don't apply? > > Harald. > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:33 AM Eric White <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks Harald. That's informative. My confusion stems from what happens >> when there's a stop sign for peds and cyclists at the same location there's >> a crosswalk. Do I still have the right of way as a ped / cyclist or am I >> stopped by the sign, and therefore cross traffic can flow by unimpeded? >> >> > -- > > *Kevin [email protected] <[email protected]>* >
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