On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 04:31:52PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:

> this is somewhat problematic.  The netwm spec says that a common step in 
> "window activation" is to raise the window and I have implemented it this way 
> at the moment in cvs.  

I'm very sorry to hear that.  This is one of the core features I use in
Blackbox.

> I fail to understand the need to have a window that is 
> focused but unusable because it is covered.  

You are assuming that the window is entirely covered.  This is not how I
use Blackbox.  One of the systems I use is a laptop with a 1024x480
display.  This means that I frequently have windows overlapping.  In
many cases, I will position two windows so that I can read the
information in one and type into the other.  This normally means that
the window I'm reading from is unfocused, but topmost, and that the
window I am typing in is focused, but not topmost.  If I understand
your statement about netwm's "window activation", this would no longer
be possible.  Thus, I would not be able to use a window manager that
worked this way.

> If you look at window switching 
> on other operating systems and other wms in unix land you will see that 
> raising is common practice.  

Which is one of many reasons I ended up using Blackbox, because it did
not operate this way.

> Is it really that hard to live with?  

I believe my above statements address this.  However, just to be clear,
yes it would be that hard to live with.

> As always, I am willing to entertain well thought out objections.

If there is more that I can add to the above to clarify, please don't
hesitate to ask.

-- 
Jamin W. Collins

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