On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Jamin Collins wrote:
> Gregory J. Barlow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > This glass door analogy has worn a bit thin. Its not really
> > as applicable to this situation as you make it out to be. A
> > menu is distinct in its own right, and the universal way to
> > close any menu is the same at present, unlike under your
> > proposed system.
>
> But you see, the closing of the menus is not consistent in it's current
> form. If I have not torn off a menu, a simple left click of the root closes
> all menus. As for window menus, a simple left click elsewhere on the window
> frame closes them. These are already differences. Now when we look at torn
> menus, no left click of any kind will get right of them. While on all these
> menus, a right click will work to remove them, there are inconsistencies.
> Additionly, the original post that lead to this discussion indicates that
> this right-click capability is not readily appearent to everyone.
Right clicks on open menus close those menus. Left clicks on the parent
of these menus (the root window, a specific window) closes them as well.
(Actually, since the toolbar got its own menu, it does not follow the left
click behavior, which I find to be a bug) I have always believed this
behavior should be completely consistent across the board, that a left
click on the root window would clear all pinned menus. The right click
behavior needs to become apparent to those who use blackbox, because its
the only way to close menus. If a close button was added, it would not
work for all menus, which doesnt improve that situation. I still do not
believe a sufficient case for close buttons has been made. It really
doesnt improve anything.
> Jeff asked:
>
> |Hmm. Maybe torn menus should be marked somehow... anyone have any
> |opinions/preferences?
>
> Several options where given. Of those given, the close button seems a good
> choice.
How is it a good choice? What does it really solve besides cluttering the
interface?
> > So go use windowmaker and leave us with a simple wm. Windowmaker is a
> > really nice window manager; blackbox draws a lot of ideas from it and
> > the NeXT interface. But that doesn't mean everything windowmaker
> > does it good either.
>
> Likewise it doesn't mean that we should discard ideas just because they may
> appear Windowmakerish. I too want simplicity, but not at the cost of
> consistency.
Read what I said again. I said windowmaker is nice, lots of its ideas are
great, but not everything in it is. As far as consistency, adding a close
button hardly makes things more consistent.
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Gregory J. Barlow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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