On Mar 15, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Howard Melman wrote:
On Mar 15, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Chris Cairns wrote:
On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Howard Melman wrote:
Out of curiousity, can you describe what Butler does differently
from QS in this regard?
Surely. (I m sorry that no Howard Melman has written a manual for
Butler, so you will have to bear with my explanation).
Butler allows us to make a container (Custom pasteboard) which can
be opened up as a menu near them mouse or any screen corner. This
container can be assigned a shortcut and it list all its items
(text, images etc) in a menu. Butler offers the facility to set up
a trigger either to the menu or to the individual items of the menu
or to both. Also, all the items of the menu can be executed
sequentially and a trigger can be set to do this.
Also there are plenty of presets like "Paste recent pasteboard 1"
"Paste recent pasteboard 2"
"Paste as plain text" etc
Then there is a separate "keystrokes" which accepts any keys that
can be thrown into anywhere or used to paste text.
After all this, there is also a separate "Text" smart item
(probably to separate only plain text triggers).
And remember, there are no trigger scoping issues which really
multiplies the importance of all this when compared to quicksilver.
So if you are impressed, please start writing a manual for Butler.
If you are not i m willing to continue the debate.
No debate, I'm just curious as to features in other products I'm not
aware of. Let's see if I understand this...
So Butler offers multiple pasteboards (sounds like multiple
"clipboard storage" in QS terminology or maybe "shelf").
(ok, no debate) Its not just the feature, its the simplified
experience which which you can create the custom pasteboard. In
quicksilver, clipboard storage, clipboard history and shelf have their
own unobvious ways of putting items into them and then using those
items. Some items have to be deleted in a particular way and some have
to be placed in a particular way. Also, the issue of having Clipboard
History and Shelf as a window which has to be moved to a screen corner
(and thereby making it vulnerable to be opened even if accidentally
mouse is dragged to the corner). Or if not placed into screen corner,
the entire quicksilver pane has to be opened. No such issues with
Butler. Butler opens a very neat menu when trigger is pressed and
closes itself after the paste is complete.
If QS had that, then the existing facility to create hotkey triggers
and mouse triggers would mirror how Butler provides access to them.
Though the "execute all" function isn't in QS, QS does have
"internal commands" (in the catalog under QS) to "paste clip store
[1,2,3...]" so it's easy to create a trigger to do this.
yes, i know about it. i never meant to say QS does not have any of the
features that Butler has. I wrote Butler is better when we look at
usability, stability etc
QS doesn't have a paste as plain text and that would be useful.
People have written scripts using pbpaste and pbcopy to enable this
for what's on the clipboard but a new action would be simplest.
Keystrokes sounds like the Type Text action (with pehaps a simpler
way to specify modified keys like control-c.
correct.
I'm not sure what the "text smart item" is or what the Butler
trigger scoping features are.
Trigger scoping allows to enable trigger in specific applications or
disable them in specific applications. They work perfectly. I really
would like you to use Butler for yourself. You will agree with the
ease of use and convinced of its stability while using triggers.
