Thanks David. I got it now! Keep up the good work. Lennie
At 11:00 AM 7/25/2007, you wrote: >Cross posting refers to the practice of posting the same message at the same >time. An example of this would be sending multiple members of your family a >message all at once and not sending each of them an individual message even >if it is the same exact message. It messes up some people's message rules >and often is off topic for one or more lists that it is being posted on. >Another example could be asking on here about window eyes which would be >perfectly fine but off topic for the JAWS Users list. >David Ferrin >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lennie Rinaldi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:54 AM >Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >Hi David and Rick, > >Uh, I must be a little dense. I think that I misinterpreted what >cross posting mean. I thought that cross posting meant sending the >same Email to both list? Can you please set me straight because I >sent a question a little while ago to blind computing and have not >received an answer. However, I did not send the same question to Jaws User. > >Excuse me for not understanding. > >Lennie > >At 08:56 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: > >hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. > >smile. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ricque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM > >Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > > Hi Mich, > > > Consider this: > > > The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. > > > Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. > > > As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists > > > with regard to cross-posting. > > > Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile > > > Richard Justice > > > www.blind-computing.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Mich > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > > > > ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do > > > it > > > but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a > > > little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit > > > and > > > all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it > > > the > > > other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for > > > clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > > > >> That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people > > >> just > > >> refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. > > >> > > >> Rick > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> > > >> > > >> o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was > > >> meant > > >> by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if > > >> you > > >> were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the > > >> clip > > >> board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > > >> message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and > > >> write > > >> the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > > >> and > > >> then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > > >> and > > >> then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the > > >> jaws > > >> users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > > >> blind > > >> computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for > > >> your > > >> reply. from Mich Verrier. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> > > >> > > >>> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > > >>> lists. > > >>> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad > > >>> etiquette > > >>> on lists as well. > > >>> > > >>> Rick > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> To: <[email protected]> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one > > >>> message > > >>> and > > >>> go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put > > >>> the > > >>> address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to > > >>> both > > >>> lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. > > >>> That > > >>> is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> To: <[email protected]> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> OK Gang, > > >>>> > > >>>> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and > > >>>> suggested > > >>>> that > > >>>> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each > > >>>> list > > >>>> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not > > >>>> realize > > >>>> a > > >>>> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just > > >>>> that: > > >>>> > > >>>> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and > > >>>> then > > >>>> copy > > >>>> the entire contents of that text session ( <CONTROL> + <A> ) into the > > >>>> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( <CONTROL> + <P> ) into > > >>>> the > > >>>> two separate messages - one for each list. > > >>>> > > >>>> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then > > >>>> using > > >>>> the <CONTROL>+<A> (copy all) and <CONTROL>+<P> commands to copy the > > >>>> message > > >>>> from one email composition for one list into a second email > > >>>> composition > > >>>> for > > >>>> the second list. > > >>>> > > >>>> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the > > >>>> Blind > > >>>> Computing and JAWS Users list. > > >>>> > > >>>> ---------------- > > >>>> Bill Gallik > > >>>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of > > >>>> all > > >>>> our > > >>>> adversities." > > >>>> - Sophocles > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> To: "blind-computing" <[email protected]> > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > > >>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> All, > > >>>> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > > >>>> management team > > >>>> to take a closer look at general list operation. > > >>>> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team > > >>>> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. > > >>>> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since > > >>>> it > > >>>> will > > >>>> be posted to both > > >>>> lists. > > >>>> 1. Cross-posting > > >>>> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list > > >>>> has > > >>>> increased. > > >>>> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. > > >>>> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, > > >>>> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. > > >>>> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of > > >>>> the > > >>>> poster. > > >>>> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in > > >>>> their > > >>>> e-mail client. > > >>>> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous > > >>>> to > > >>>> others. > > >>>> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate > > >>>> those > > >>>> who won't take an extra > > >>>> minute or so to post in a proper manner. > > >>>> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually > > >>>> serves > > >>>> to > > >>>> slow the overall > > >>>> performance of the list. > > >>>> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it > > >>>> should > > >>>> be > > >>>> done on an individual > > >>>> message basis. > > >>>> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will > > >>>> post > > >>>> the > > >>>> same question to > > >>>> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. > > >>>> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then > > >>>> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. > > >>>> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can > > >>>> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: > > >>>> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person > > >>>> that > > >>>> has > > >>>> an answer hasn't read > > >>>> the message yet. > > >>>> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example > > >>>> jaws-users.com, > > >>>> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as > > >>>> blind-computing.com. > > >>>> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: > > >>>> www.blind-computing.com > > >>>> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail > > >>>> list > > >>>> information. > > >>>> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay > > >>>> to > > >>>> post the message, > > >>>> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the > > >>>> action. > > >>>> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only > > >>>> one > > >>>> consideration, and that is > > >>>> themselves. > > >>>> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. > > >>>> For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of > > >>>> urgency > > >>>> for an answer to a > > >>>> problem, > > >>>> but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to > > >>>> your > > >>>> question, you should be > > >>>> getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a > > >>>> say > > >>>> in > > >>>> how your request is > > >>>> handled. > > >>>> Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all > > >>>> computing > > >>>> skills, > > >>>> and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. > > >>>> If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are > > >>>> aimed > > >>>> at > > >>>> personal computing, then, > > >>>> there should be less of a sense of urgency. > > >>>> Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. > > >>>> So, we all need to be patient. > > >>>> Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more > > >>>> deserving > > >>>> of > > >>>> help than another. > > >>>> David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it > > >>>> will > > >>>> be > > >>>> added to the list > > >>>> guidelines, at the earliest possible time. > > >>>> > > >>>> 2. File Requests. > > >>>> Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from > > >>>> within > > >>>> the membership. > > >>>> And we want to encourage this to continue. > > >>>> We will be working on a better system of file distribution, > > >>>> so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, > > >>>> we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the management > > >>>> team > > >>>> so that we can make them readily available to all list members. > > >>>> The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, that > > >>>> they > > >>>> have > > >>>> files to share, > > >>>> this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. > > >>>> In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we will > > >>>> see > > >>>> what > > >>>> we can put in place > > >>>> to facilitate this. > > >>>> If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post to the > > >>>> list > > >>>> asking people to send files privately. > > >>>> If a member has a file that may benefit other users, and he or she > > >>>> wants > > >>>> to > > >>>> send it to another > > >>>> member privately, > > >>>> then they need to take that transaction completely off-list. > > >>>> This will greatly reduce the occurance of people flooding the list > > >>>> with > > >>>> requests for private e-mail attachments. > > >>>> How it works: > > >>>> When a member has a file to share with the list membership, > > >>>> they need only make it available to the management team. > > >>>> At this point, the management team can put the file in an accessible > > >>>> location, and then make the > > >>>> membership aware of that location, > > >>>> with only one post to the list. > > >>>> Now, you can see that 1 message is posted, but the file is available > > >>>> to > > >>>> all > > >>>> members. > > >>>> Instant reduction in redundent messages to the list. > > >>>> 3. Just a reminder, that we all, management team included, need to > > >>>> try > > >>>> and > > >>>> keep our subject lines on > > >>>> track. > > >>>> If David has additional comments he will post them in a seperate > > >>>> post. > > >>>> > > >>>> Richard Justice-list moderator > > >>>> David A. 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