Oh. it's on the show notes page at http://feeds.feedburner.com/funfilled. I usually do not menchen the websites as i can't pronounced them. lol. SA&G
:>I did check out your pod cast but I don't recall you mentioning a web :>site :> for this program. Did I just miss it? :> David Ferrin :> ----- Original Message ----- :> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> To: <[email protected]> :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:45 PM :> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> actualy my method does not involve cross posting. Check out the :> podcast. I :> use it all the time for my weekly anouncement email. :> :> SA&G :> :> :> Just so everybody knows, we've been receiving complaints for :> :> allowing cross :> :> posts for as long as we have too. We were discussing it when the :> :> third party :> :> rumbling started a while back. :> :> David Ferrin :> :> ----- Original Message ----- :> :> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> :> To: <[email protected]> :> :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM :> :> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> :> :> :> Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for :> :> outlook :> :> express. I reviewed it on my podcast at :> :> :> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 :> :> SA&G :> :> :> OK Gang, :> :> :> :> :> :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :> :> :> suggested that :> :> :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to :> :> :> each list :> :> :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may :> :> :> not realize a :> :> :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do :> :> :> just that: :> :> :> :> :> :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question :> :> :> and then copy :> :> :> the entire contents of that text session ( <CONTROL> + <A> ) :> :> :> into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( :> :> :> <CONTROL> + <P> ) into the :> :> :> two separate messages - one for each list. :> :> :> :> :> :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, :> :> :> then using :> :> :> the <CONTROL>+<A> (copy all) and <CONTROL>+<P> commands to :> :> :> copy the message :> :> :> from one email composition for one list into a second email :> :> :> composition for :> :> :> the second list. :> :> :> :> :> :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to :> :> :> both the Blind :> :> :> Computing and JAWS Users list. :> :> :> :> :> :> ---------------- :> :> :> Bill Gallik :> :> :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> :> :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole :> :> :> cause of all our :> :> :> adversities." :> :> :> - Sophocles :> :> :> ----- Original Message ----- :> :> :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> :> :> To: "blind-computing" <[email protected]> :> :> :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM :> :> :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> All, :> :> :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, :> :> :> causing the management team :> :> :> to take a closer look at general list operation. :> :> :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management :> :> :> team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and :> :> :> jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, :> :> :> will get this twice since it will :> :> :> be posted to both :> :> :> lists. :> :> :> 1. Cross-posting :> :> :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the :> :> :> list has :> :> :> increased. :> :> :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. :> :> :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list :> :> :> etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it :> :> :> causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness :> :> :> on the part of the :> :> :> poster. :> :> :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message :> :> :> rules in their :> :> :> e-mail client. :> :> :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and :> :> :> discourteous to :> :> :> others. :> :> :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to :> :> :> accomodate those :> :> :> who won't take an extra :> :> :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. :> :> :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and :> :> :> actually serves to :> :> :> slow the overall :> :> :> performance of the list. :> :> :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then :> :> :> it should be :> :> :> done on an individual :> :> :> message basis. :> :> :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I :> :> :> will post the :> :> :> same question to :> :> :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. :> :> :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, :> :> :> then post your question to the list that is most appropriate :> :> :> for it. If you don't recieve an answer, then you can :> :> :> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: :> :> :> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the :> :> :> person that has :> :> :> an answer hasn't read :> :> :> the message yet. :> :> :> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for :> :> :> example jaws-users.com, :> :> :> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as :> :> :> blind-computing.com. :> :> :> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: :> :> :> www.blind-computing.com :> :> :> that includes links to other pages that contain additional :> :> :> e-mail list :> :> :> information. :> :> :> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make :> :> :> it okay to :> :> :> post the message, :> :> :> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't :> :> :> excuse the action. :> :> :> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has :> :> :> only one :> :> :> consideration, and that is :> :> :> themselves. :> :> :> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for :> :> :> it. For those in an employment situation, I can understand :> :> :> your sense of urgency :> :> :> for an answer to a :> :> :> problem, :> :> :> but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer :> :> :> to your :> :> :> question, you should be :> :> :> getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have :> :> :> more of a say in :> :> :> how your request is :> :> :> handled. :> :> :> Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of :> :> :> all computing :> :> :> skills, :> :> :> and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they :> :> :> offer. If you are not in an employment situation, and your :> :> :> questions are aimed at :> :> :> personal computing, then, :> :> :> there should be less of a sense of urgency. :> :> :> Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely :> :> :> mmanner. So, we all need to be patient. :> :> :> Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more :> :> :> deserving of :> :> :> help than another. :> :> :> David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , :> :> :> and it will be :> :> :> added to the list :> :> :> guidelines, at the earliest possible time. :> :> :> :> :> :> 2. File Requests. :> :> :> Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, :> :> :> from within :> :> :> the membership. :> :> :> And we want to encourage this to continue. :> :> :> We will be working on a better system of file distribution, :> :> :> so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the :> :> :> list, we have a way for members to get the file, or files to :> :> :> the management team :> :> :> so that we can make them readily available to all list members. :> :> :> The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, :> :> :> that they have :> :> :> files to share, :> :> :> this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. :> :> :> In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we :> :> :> will see what :> :> :> we can put in place :> :> :> to facilitate this. :> :> :> If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post :> :> :> to the list :> :> :> asking people to send files privately. :> :> :> If a member has a file that may benefit other users, and he or :> :> :> she wants to :> :> :> send it to another :> :> :> member privately, :> :> :> then they need to take that transaction completely off-list. :> :> :> This will greatly reduce the occurance of people flooding the :> :> :> list with :> :> :> requests for private e-mail attachments. :> :> :> How it works: :> :> :> When a member has a file to share with the list membership, :> :> :> they need only make it available to the management team. :> :> :> At this point, the management team can put the file in an :> :> :> accessible location, and then make the :> :> :> membership aware of that location, :> :> :> with only one post to the list. :> :> :> Now, you can see that 1 message is posted, but the file is :> :> :> available to all :> :> :> members. :> :> :> Instant reduction in redundent messages to the list. :> :> :> 3. Just a reminder, that we all, management team included, :> :> :> need to try and :> :> :> keep our subject lines on :> :> :> track. :> :> :> If David has additional comments he will post them in a :> :> :> seperate post. :> :> :> :> :> :> Richard Justice-list moderator :> :> :> David A. 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