Hi Sarah, Thanks for the info, I'll go have listen. Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for outlook express. I reviewed it on my podcast at http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 SA&G :> OK Gang, :> :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :> suggested that :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each :> list :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not :> realize a :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just :> that: :> :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and :> then copy :> the entire contents of that text session ( <CONTROL> + <A> ) into the :> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( <CONTROL> + <P> ) :> into the :> two separate messages - one for each list. :> :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then :> using :> the <CONTROL>+<A> (copy all) and <CONTROL>+<P> commands to copy the :> message :> from one email composition for one list into a second email :> composition for :> the second list. :> :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both :> the Blind :> Computing and JAWS Users list. :> :> ---------------- :> Bill Gallik :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of :> all our :> adversities." :> - Sophocles :> ----- Original Message ----- :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> To: "blind-computing" <[email protected]> :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> All, :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the :> management team :> to take a closer look at general list operation. :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team :> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. :> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since :> it will :> be posted to both :> lists. :> 1. Cross-posting :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list :> has :> increased. :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, :> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. :> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part :> of the :> poster. :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules :> in their :> e-mail client. :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and :> discourteous to :> others. :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to :> accomodate those :> who won't take an extra :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually :> serves to :> slow the overall :> performance of the list. :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it :> should be :> done on an individual :> message basis. :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will :> post the :> same question to :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then :> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. :> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can :> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: :> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person :> that has :> an answer hasn't read :> the message yet. :> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example :> jaws-users.com, :> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as :> blind-computing.com. :> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: :> www.blind-computing.com :> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail :> list :> information. :> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it :> okay to :> post the message, :> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the :> action. :> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only :> one :> consideration, and that is :> themselves. :> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. :> For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of :> urgency :> for an answer to a :> problem, :> but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to :> your :> question, you should be :> getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of :> a say in :> how your request is :> handled. :> Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all :> computing :> skills, :> and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. :> If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are :> aimed at :> personal computing, then, :> there should be less of a sense of urgency. :> Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. :> So, we all need to be patient. :> Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more :> deserving of :> help than another. :> David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it :> will be :> added to the list :> guidelines, at the earliest possible time. :> :> 2. File Requests. :> Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from :> within :> the membership. :> And we want to encourage this to continue. :> We will be working on a better system of file distribution, :> so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, :> we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the :> management team :> so that we can make them readily available to all list members. :> The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, that :> they have :> files to share, :> this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. :> In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we will :> see what :> we can put in place :> to facilitate this. :> If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post to :> the list :> asking people to send files privately. :> If a member has a file that may benefit other users, and he or she :> wants to :> send it to another :> member privately, :> then they need to take that transaction completely off-list. :> This will greatly reduce the occurance of people flooding the list :> with :> requests for private e-mail attachments. :> How it works: :> When a member has a file to share with the list membership, :> they need only make it available to the management team. :> At this point, the management team can put the file in an accessible :> location, and then make the :> membership aware of that location, :> with only one post to the list. :> Now, you can see that 1 message is posted, but the file is available :> to all :> members. :> Instant reduction in redundent messages to the list. :> 3. Just a reminder, that we all, management team included, need to :> try and :> keep our subject lines on :> track. :> If David has additional comments he will post them in a seperate :> post. :> :> Richard Justice-list moderator :> David A. Ferrin list owner :> www.blind-computing.com :> www.jaws-users.com :> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: :> http://www.blind-computing.com :> Address for the list archives: :> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ :> To post to this group, send email to :> [email protected] :> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the :> subject or :> body of a blank message to: :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> Use the following form in order to contact the management team :> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php :> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the :> following :> address: :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> :> :> :> :> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: :> http://www.blind-computing.com :> Address for the list archives: :> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ :> To post to this group, send email to :> [email protected] :> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the :> subject or body of a blank message to: :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> Use the following form in order to contact the management team :> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php :> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the :> following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
