Jon, I just created a DOS bootable disk and will have my wife go through it with me. There were a few check box options as I went through but none sounded applicable and there was no related info so I did not check any. It did ask for a serial # but I left it blank and I didn't think they wanted that long registration # again that came with the image for Windows program when I registered it. Hopefully if will work ok. One thing I noticed today was I put my DVD image disk in while Windows was running and went through the menus for restore options. I realize you cannot write back to the primary partition windows is currently operating from but what if you took a hard drive and hooked it up as another drive then select it as the destination for the image. When the image is done, use diskpart to make the partition it went to active. Shut the system down and then plug this hard drive in as the main drive and boot up the machine?
Al -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of John M. Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary Al, I believe that I have tried restoring from a DVD using the DOS boot disk and it worked OK. I wanted to try it, just to make sure that scenario worked and I believe that it did. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary > Jon, > > Thanks for your thoughts. I'll have to create a DOS bootable > CD and have my wife walk me through it. I believe David said > he thought you could only restore from an external hard > drive with this option. It would be nice if I could somehow > use what I've already created as it is a good image I don't > know of any way to get it from the DVD to an external hard > drive and then restore from that point using the DOS > program. I wish someone would come up with some type speech > device to use outside of Windows for when we are working in > the system CMOS or DOS > thanks, > Al > > PS Thanks again for you in-service on diskpart. I really > like that option > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of > John M. > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:28 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary > > > The Image for DOS boot disk can be run on any machine, it is > not machine > specific. Once booted, the DOS program works very much like > the Windows > program. You move from screen to screen, answering a series > of questions. > Once the restore is complete, you remove the CD, reboot the > computer and > your are back in business. If you are doing the DVD restore > with no sighted > assistance, then I am going to guess that there is an option > somewhere on > the restore screen that would allow you to restore the > backup to a brand > new, unpartitioned HD. > It would be great to be able to add speech to the Image for > Linux boot CD, > which would allow us to take full advantage of the restore > capabilities, > with no sighted assistance. Until then, we must rely on a > good set of > eyes. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary > > >> Good morning folks, >> >> Well I'm finally getting around to posting on my progress >> regarding this issue. I promise to make it short. What I >> have found to date through research, and much trial & > error >> is I have no trouble restoring an image as long as it goes >> back on the same hard drive, in the same machine, and with >> the same partitions in tact as when the image was created. > I >> have only used the optical drive so I cannot speak to >> experiences using the DOS boot disk and then restoring the >> image from another hard drive etc. In my case, I was able >> to restore my system from the factory disks and then burn > a >> new image and successfully reuse that as often as needed. >> However, as soon as I try using another hard drive, > deleted >> and then create a new partition, or make a partition > larger >> than what was present when creating the image it fails. > Here >> are my questions to those who use the program differently. >> Is the DOS boot disk the program will create a generic Win >> XP bootable disk or only applicable to the machine it was >> created on? How much sighted assistance is needed with the >> DOS restore option and what exactly is involved? With the >> DOS option, can I restore from the DVD's I've already >> created and would that possibly go onto the hard drive >> whereas booting from the image DVD's will not? Let me > know. >> >> thanks >> Al >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf > Of >> Donald >> Marang >> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:25 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary >> >> >> I have not replaced a drive like you are attempting to do. >> I do know that >> Image for Windows is designed to do just that operation. > In >> fact, it should >> also make replacing the drive with a larger drive a > breeze. >> I have also >> heard Leo LePorte walk people through the process on his >> "The Tech Guy" >> radio show / podcast. He uses Image for Windows as well >> (now a sponsor). >> >> Perhaps your problem is that some manufacturers place a >> fingerprint on the >> drive. I do not know if they place this in the master > Boot >> Record, a small, >> hidden partition or just within the main partition. > Perhaps >> a Google search >> for replacing a drive for that manufacturer would provide >> instructions. I >> know I have run across similar instructions in the past. >> >> Don Marang >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary >> >> >>> David, >>> >>> After doing some research yesterday, I believe the source >> of >>> the conflict is in having multiple physical disk drives > in >>> the machine I set the new image up in and then burned it. >> As >>> you know, the BIOS assigns drive #'s and in my case the >> are >>> 0 & 1. My suspicion is that when I go to restore the > image >>> it is looking for a device numbered the same as on the >>> image. That may or may not be so. I consistently get the >>> same message "target device not found, press enter to >>> reboot." I'm wondering if the sightless restore of this >>> program is limited to only restoring the image on the > same >>> physical drive it was created from? This has good utility >> in >>> the event one's system gets screwed up and one wants to >>> simply lay down the unadulterated image again. However, >> I'm >>> not sure of the program's utility in terms of laying down >>> the image on a different or newly purchased hard drive? >> Have >>> you had success with this? Regarding your suggestions >> below, >>> the format of the drive I don't think that would matter > as >>> all info is erased and the image then is put down. The >>> format will be that of what the image is. The hard drive >> is >>> the same brand but different size. I've played with many >>> options, even installing the image from the DVD onto the >>> extra drive while system is up and running. It installs >> the >>> image ok, but when the hard drive is removed and put into >>> the other computer, the system won't boot. Keep the > ideas >>> coming and I'll keep researching >>> thanks, >>> Al >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf >> Of >>> David Ferrin >>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:10 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary >>> >>> >>> Is the new drive formatted the same way as the old drive >>> was? Also is it the >>> same type of drive? >>> David Ferrin >>> www.jaws-users.com >>> VIP Conduit Tech Support >>> www.vipconduit.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary >>> >>> >>> David, >>> >>> Thanks, I'll spare you the long version (ha, ha). A > simple >>> way to sum all this up would be say I have a good image > on >> a >>> DVD and my current hard drive bites the dust. I go to the >>> store and buy a new one. I partition it an put it in the >>> machine and attempt to lay down the image on it and get >> what >>> I described to you at the end of the message. >> Suggestions? >>> >>> Al >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf >> Of >>> David Ferrin >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:10 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary >>> >>> >>> Al all I can say is if this is a brief description please >>> don't give me the >>> long version because I will have to read it very > carefully >>> before even >>> having a chance of grasping a handle on what you >> ultimately >>> ended up with. >>> Confused in Pennsylvania. I'll review it further. >>> David Ferrin >>> www.jaws-users.com >>> VIP Conduit Tech Support >>> www.vipconduit.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Blind-Computing" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:30 PM >>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Image restore quandary >>> >>> >>> Well the subject says it all. I will try to be as brief >>> below as possible to explain my dilemma and hopefully > find >> a >>> simple answer that I am obviously overlooking. >>> About a month ago I purchased Image For Windows and am >>> thrilled with the program. I have successfully created > and >>> restored two different images with no problem. Here is my >>> current dilemma. >>> I have two Acer computers. I'll call them Intel and A M D >> so >>> as to not confuse them in the below dialogue I'm >> describing. >>> My primary in home networked computer was the Intel. The > A >> M >>> D computer as well as my wife's worked off this Intel >> unit. >>> The computer had not been re formatted for about a year >> and >>> a half and I also wanted to swap it out for the A M D >>> machine which has a faster processor and twice the > memory. >> I >>> know the hours it can take to set a computer up from >>> scratch so I figured I would simply take the hard drive >> out >>> of the A M D computer and use it to set up the Intel >>> computer as time permitted. The first thing I did was to >> use >>> the Image for Windows program to create an image of the A >> M >>> D computer. I then restored that image to confirm it >> worked >>> prior to taking the hard drive out and using it in the >> Intel >>> machine. I also created an image of the Intel machine >> before >>> doing anything just in case something went amuck. I then >>> unplugged the Intel hard drive and plugged the A M D one >>> into that unit. I got the factory restore disks out for >> the >>> Intel computer and installed them on the A M D hard drive >>> which was now temporarily in the Intel unit. This erased >> all >>> data on the A M D hard drive and created the factory > image >>> of the Intel computer. Everything worked well and I >>> installed JAWS, a few other key programs I wanted and > then >>> burned a new image with image for windows to use a >> starting >>> point from now on with the Intel computer so I did not >> need >>> to take hours setting it up from scratch again. I then >>> removed the A M D hard drive from the Intel computer and >>> plugged the Intel one back in. The Intel computer booted >> up >>> fine and picked up from where it left off prior to >> switching >>> hard drives. I then took the A M D hard drive and put it >>> back in the A M D machine and put the original A M D > image >> I >>> had created prior to starting this project back on it. > The >> A >>> M d computer booted up fine (Just like David said it >> would) >>> and it was if nothing had ever changed. Now, for the >>> dilemma. I wanted to put the new image I created on the >>> Intel machine on the Intel hard drive to in essence have >> a >>> new, freshly formatted computer. The image will not go > on >>> that hard drive. What happens is I put the initial disk > in >>> the it boots just like it is supposed to. The tray comes >> out >>> and asks for the last disk of the set. I put that in, the >>> DVD whirs for a minute and then the tray comes out and >> asks >>> for the first disk again. When I put this back in I do > not >>> get the dialogue asking for the Y or N to proceed and put >>> that image on the hard drive. It goes back to a basic >>> screen saying boot device cannot be found, press enter to >>> continue. When I do this the same process repeats but I >>> never can get anywhere. I thought there may be something >>> wrong with the Intel machine so I took the hard drive out >>> and put it in the A M D machine (unplugging the A M D > hard >>> drives) to try on that machine which I know works and > same >>> thing happened. I have even deleted all partitions on the >>> Intel hard drive and created and formatted new ones to >>> emulate a new hard drive and same out come as above. >> Anyone >>> have a solution as to how I can get the image I made with >>> image for windows on that Intel hard drive? >>> >>> thanks >>> Al >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >> visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >> visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
