Given the tests Aprone recorded, we know for certain that it was designed on Windows 8 or later.
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Lemm" <paul.lem...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 18:00 To: <blind-gamers@groups.io> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] food for thought: How far you would go as to merging your reality with the gaming one? Hi Shaun, That’s a shame they are no longer being sold. I actually don't think I've tried it on my windows 10 machine, I think I might have to go give that a try and see if I can get it to work and then go shoot up some zombies over in swamp haha. Paul -----Original Message----- From: blind-gamers@groups.io <blind-gamers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 7:53 PM To: blind-gamers@groups.io Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] food for thought: How far you would go as to merging your reality with the gaming one? The c monkey is not being made simply because not many bought it so it was stopped. Its a pitty but I am not sure how valid it is for anything past win7 or xp anyway. On 22/03/2019 6:58 AM, Paul Lemm wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Although I appreciate it's not virtual reality in the manner people are > discussing , but Jeffrey mentioned head tracking, which is one of the key > components of current main stream VR on phones or console. We actually as > blind gamers have something similar to this already, with the sea monkey > by Aprone. I’m not sure if he’s still making them or not, but it’s a > device you put on your head and it tracks your head movement, I believe > it may be possible to get it to work with other games, but I believe it > was designed to work with swamp,, so that as you move your head it will > turn your character in game. I actually have one myself, and think its a > great invention and although not strictly VR, it at least gives us a kind > of glimpse of how sighted gamers can look all around them in their game > world through moving their head. > > Paul Lemm > -----Original Message----- > From: blind-gamers@groups.io <blind-gamers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lenron > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:52 AM > To: blind-gamers@groups.io > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] food for thought: How far you would go as to > merging your reality with the gaming one? > > the so called dangers of it don't bother me right now. Hell it's at least > a few years off before it's as good as we might want it anyways. > I am a risk taker anyways. > > On 3/21/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> > wrote: >> Shaun, >> Again you are so right on all of your just said! >> Like I said, whenever I talk about it, I make sure to also talk about >> how dangerous this can be and it should be considered before anything >> else. >> Now, well, what I wouldn't give to have the same experience you had >> with the headset :) >> >> Cheers, >> Marcio >> AKA /Starboy/ >> >> >> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >> >> Em 21/03/2019 07:30, Shaun Everiss escreveu: >>> Well startrek did have the safety systems in their holodecks but even >>> then. >>> >>> If a reality was to merge with a gaming one, there would have to be >>> differences betwene actual real life or actual reality. >>> >>> Things like well a day of game life would be an hour or less of real >>> life could be a minute, and if you got adicted hmmm all sorts of issues. >>> >>> To be honest, even if vr would become a reality, its doubtfull that >>> most of us would be able to afford it on a large scale. >>> >>> I got close to it during one of my research studdies, I had a gaming >>> 3d headset, and used an iphone to play a game, I closed my eyes, the >>> place was darkened, and I was able to enter some sort of different >>> reality even though I never actually moved from my location. >>> >>> After it was all over, I asked exactly how much for someone like me >>> to do it again for myself. >>> >>> You would need a computer or iphone for that to work. >>> >>> However the cost of the set alone bulky that it was would cost me 500 >>> us +. >>> >>> While I could afford it, thats still a lot of cash, Now I can >>> probably afford 1-200 bucks at a stretch, but thats a lot so I only >>> spend more than that if I need something. >>> >>> Whenever I have had to really spend a huge amount, upgrading voices, >>> tech, etc like I did this year with the help of my family, it >>> basically means that my spend cash for anything huge is gone for at >>> least 6 months or so. >>> >>> Assuming nothing like drives fail or something important happens I >>> can try again. >>> >>> But there are always other things to get. >>> >>> Due to the fact I have fibre, I will eventually need a new router for >>> things to run right. >>> >>> While the 500 dollar router is an isp one and is therefore free to >>> me, the 100 or so bucks for the upgrade of the extender is something >>> I need to get. >>> >>> I am not sure if I will get it but I may get an external firewall box >>> which may cost 200 bucks. >>> >>> I spent 500 alone on upgrades I needed to get this year alone for the >>> systems, and well, a set well who knows. >>> >>> Its not on the top of my priorities. >>> >>> Now I have sets similar to what I tested but not in that class but >>> they work. >>> >>> If I get through this year and don't need to cough up cash for >>> something that fails or something in my offline life that needs >>> fixing, then the next bit of cash I need to spend is to upgrade the >>> almost dead server that handles some things that are mostly >>> transfered to other places. >>> >>> And there are other projects I want to get at. >>> >>> I have to many sets to afford the space for more in any case. >>> >>> Space is the issue for some stuff. >>> >>> As for an actual vr set, I don't know if its worth it. >>> >>> For the blind high quality headphones that fit over the ear are enough. >>> >>> Even if all the things with vr actually worked, you would a need a >>> way to bail out if an emergency happened etc. >>> >>> And while I can get carried away now, I can't do it while people are >>> out of the house in fact a lot of the time I don't use the headset >>> because of this. >>> >>> Cutting out all sences can be dangerous. >>> >>> Look at pokemon go. >>> >>> That was an orgmented reality game. >>> >>> True, there was a craze, some people got really into the spirrit of it. >>> >>> But while there were even themed stores and stuff in real life, the >>> fact was that there were issues which would make the user think twice >>> about getting carried away with something that could sporn objects >>> anywhere using the real world for objects and the like. >>> >>> There are gaming arieas in random places, war zones, houses, >>> forbidden places, some rumors. >>> >>> People have gone to arieas in game that were in the middle of roads, >>> and have gotten run over. >>> >>> People have gone into houses to play because there was an ariea in >>> the phone, and got shot. >>> >>> Its reported north corria has some between them and south and well >>> there are military bases with gaming arieas in them. >>> >>> People have lost jobs, and real lives over orgmented reality and >>> thats only going to get worse. >>> >>> There are warnings that people live in their phones even to the point >>> that married couples can't leave their phones, kids and adults alike. >>> >>> For a more recent game, think fortnight. >>> >>> Children have got so addicted they will play for days on end, not >>> eat, sleep, go to school, they will get stuck in the game. >>> >>> My question to you then is, should we even start. >>> >>> This is not real vr just yet, but there is a lot of evidence that >>> even orgmented psudo reality if not used right is quite dangerous. >>> >>> This excludes anyone that wants to do malicious things in it. >>> >>> I mean a vr virus could exist, vr chrimes, etc. >>> >>> We allready have the net. >>> >>> The neet is like the real world almost. >>> >>> We try to control it and barely can do so. >>> >>> We do have laws for some stuff, but most of us only stay on the edge >>> of the net world. >>> >>> The dark web is in the middle of it, and its like mobville, a lot of >>> bad stuff happens online a lot more than we can actually handle right >>> now. >>> >>> While we have rules inforcing laws accross borders is a challenge. >>> >>> Unless you are like china or other countries that sensor everything >>> and kill anyone that goes against anything they think is bad. >>> >>> Even then, you can't really control the net, its just to big. >>> >>> If we can't control the net well barely control it, we can't control vr. >>> >>> There are to many security breaches netwide to call the net a safe >>> place to live in. >>> >>> Now we do, but thats another story. >>> >>> We are not ready for vr, and the net is getting big fast. >>> >>> They say ai will destroy us, I suspect that we aren't ready for that >>> either. >>> >>> The only reason most of us aren >>> >>> 't dead yet is probably because we don't know half of what is going >>> on online we just do whatever is needed. >>> >>> Once we control the world, and the net and our reality first then we >>> can decide on what is next. >>> >>> We are going to get into a situation where barely control will be no >>> control, and well you loose control of everything and boom its all over. >>> >>> We barely have control to what you would concidder full control, we >>> know enough but not enough at the same time. >>> >>> Right now it all looks cool, but no one has thought about later just >>> yet. >>> >>> >>> On 21/03/2019 9:26 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote: >>>> Shaun, >>>> Of course you are right! >>>> The idea of merging these two things into only one would be very >>>> dangerous. >>>> That's why, whenever this subject come in, I make sure to say that >>>> if we ever could get to that point, then it would have to be done >>>> very, very carefully, considering most (if not all) of the possible >>>> scenarios. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>> >>>> Em 21/03/2019 05:16, Shaun Everiss escreveu: >>>>> I wouldn't to be honest. >>>>> >>>>> Firstly, look at the matrix. >>>>> >>>>> Then read better than life red dwarf book and you would find >>>>> several reasons why completely merging realities just isn't a good >>>>> idea. >>>>> >>>>> Merging reality with the real world is fine as long as you can get >>>>> out again. >>>>> >>>>> For me gaming is a way to get away from reality, I know people that >>>>> can get adicted to the real thing but I do also know if I need to >>>>> stop I can get up out of my chair and just do it. >>>>> >>>>> Games are games, reality is reality. >>>>> >>>>> If you read all the scifi books and movies about, the general ting >>>>> is yes you can, but then its really not a good idea to try to mess >>>>> with that. >>>>> >>>>> Even if you could, the expence of the gear is a big drawback. >>>>> >>>>> As far as you can do with audio then fine, but the rest I don't know. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 21/03/2019 8:23 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote: >>>>>> Well, it must have someone interested in all of this we have to talk! >>>>>> It's just a matter of look for the right person. >>>>>> Maybe if we could spread about this list, this subject would very >>>>>> well attract some attention of someone on this :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>> >>>>>> Em 20/03/2019 16:03, Ron Kolesar escreveu: >>>>>>> I also agree on that point. >>>>>>> But who to get a hold of to tell them our stories? >>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Lenron >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:30 >>>>>>> To: blind-gamers@groups.io >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] food for thought: How far you would >>>>>>> go as to merging your reality with the gaming one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be cool if we could talk to a company that was working >>>>>>> on VR, so that accessibility and things are not an after thought. >>>>>>> You know getting in on the ground floor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/19/19, marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>>> <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> wrote: >>>>>>>> Lenron, >>>>>>>> This could be a good solution as well. One I hadn't thought of, >>>>>>>> by the way. >>>>>>>> See, guys, there are some interesting ideas! I'm thinking, maybe >>>>>>>> there is someone we can talk with to discuss these ideas and >>>>>>>> perhaps turn them (or at least some of them) into reality? >>>>>>>> What you guys think about it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Marcio >>>>>>>> AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook >>>>>>>> <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Em 19/03/2019 14:31, Lenron escreveu: >>>>>>>>> I am willing to bet you could choose your sensory input levels >>>>>>>>> maybe. >>>>>>>>> Like maybe you would only feel 20 percent of the pain or >>>>>>>>> something on easy mode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3/19/19, marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>>>>> <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Interesting point, Devin! >>>>>>>>>> Your point seem to be in accordance with Luke's one. >>>>>>>>>> However, as we (John - I think - and I have said), just >>>>>>>>>> because we're blind in real life, doesn't mean we have/need to >>>>>>>>>> be when playing, after all, it's a game. >>>>>>>>>> Whatever road, though, would bring us a lot of fun. I imagine >>>>>>>>>> the other players would actually be surprised if they ever see >>>>>>>>>> a person with a cane among them. Lol >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Marcio >>>>>>>>>> AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook >>>>>>>>>> <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Em 19/03/2019 09:58, Devin Prater escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>> I really think Virtual reality would be great for learning to >>>>>>>>>>> use sensory substitution things, like the vOICe, at >>>>>>>>>>> seeingwithsound.com <http://seeingwithsound.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Besides that though, being able to see in a VR game would be >>>>>>>>>>> really hard to simulate for a blind person, unless the things >>>>>>>>>>> we use, like a virtual cane and such, were invissible for >>>>>>>>>>> other players. And even then, we'd be slower than others, >>>>>>>>>>> just by the fact that we'd have more info to take in, we'd >>>>>>>>>>> have to physically explore our enviornment with the cane >>>>>>>>>>> rather than just turn the head to look around, and, so things >>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be equal. However, this doesn't negate how much fun >>>>>>>>>>> we'd have, just like current video games. Shoot, I could play >>>>>>>>>>> Dissidia Final Fantasy for hours, using OCR of course, but >>>>>>>>>>> its still fun as heck. >>>>>>>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>>>>>>> sent from Gmail. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 7:34 AM marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>>>>>>> <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:yahoo.com...@groups.io>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmm, I think you're right, I hadn't considered it all. >>>>>>>>>>> But still (not that it's possible for now), what if >>>>>>>>>>> someday they >>>>>>>>>>> could develop a kind of technology capable of make you >>>>>>>>>>> feel this >>>>>>>>>>> sensation and forget about it right away? >>>>>>>>>>> Of course I don't know how it could be done but I tell >>>>>>>>>>> you, when >>>>>>>>>>> it comes to technology, I won't doubt anything, not >>>>>>>>>>> anymore. >>>>>>>>>>> Even though, your point is still valid. Before >>>>>>>>>>> accepting such >>>>>>>>>>> complex concept, one needs to think of the implications >>>>>>>>>>> it would >>>>>>>>>>> carry along, of course, with the good things. >>>>>>>>>>> A long way to go, isn't it? >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook >>>>>>>>>>> <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/03/2019 09:20, john escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the thing: just because a sensation was created >>>>>>>>>>>> by a game, >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean you didn't experience that sensation. If >>>>>>>>>>>> games got >>>>>>>>>>>> realistic enough that they could fully simulate reality >>>>>>>>>>>> and you >>>>>>>>>>>> faceplanted the sidewalk, it doesn't matter that your >>>>>>>>>>>> nose isn't >>>>>>>>>>>> broken in real life, you'll still experience what it >>>>>>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>>>>>> like, and you'll remember that experience. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So yeah, when you quit the game (presumably almost >>>>>>>>>>>> immediately >>>>>>>>>>>> because broken bones hurt) you'll be back in the "real" >>>>>>>>>>>> reality >>>>>>>>>>>> and your nose won't be broken anymore, but you'll still >>>>>>>>>>>> remember >>>>>>>>>>>> what it felt like, and that's where a lot of trauma >>>>>>>>>>>> comes from. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You've probably paid someone to mutilate your body >>>>>>>>>>>> before (ever >>>>>>>>>>>> had teeth pulled?), but you (hopefully) don't remember >>>>>>>>>>>> it and >>>>>>>>>>>> have no lasting impact, because you were asleep for the >>>>>>>>>>>> process, >>>>>>>>>>>> and didn't experience any of it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So in short - just because it's artificially created >>>>>>>>>>>> sensation >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean it's not sensation, and that's where true >>>>>>>>>>>> VR gets >>>>>>>>>>>> terrifying (because it doesn't always have to be in the >>>>>>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>>>>>> of a game you play willingly). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2019 23:43 >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* blind-gamers@groups.io >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] food for thought: How far >>>>>>>>>>>> you would >>>>>>>>>>>> go as to merging your reality with the gaming one? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I agree. But it's still about gaming, so, even if you >>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>> confused with the two realities, you always would have >>>>>>>>>>>> the "exit >>>>>>>>>>>> door". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some experiences, of course, wouldn't be that cool to >>>>>>>>>>>> have :) but >>>>>>>>>>>> well, apart from the feelings, sensation, it's nothing >>>>>>>>>>>> more than >>>>>>>>>>>> a game :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Em 18/03/2019 08:12, john escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>> This would be awesome, depending on the game. Game >>>>>>>>>>>>> worlds can be >>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot harsher than reality, and as incredible as it >>>>>>>>>>>>> might be to >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience some of them, others... not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 19:32 >>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* blind-gamers@groups.io >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [blind-gamers] food for thought: How far >>>>>>>>>>>>> you would go >>>>>>>>>>>>> as to merging your reality with the gaming one? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just now I was randomly chatting with one person and >>>>>>>>>>>>> then the >>>>>>>>>>>>> "virtual reality" subject matter came up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So was wondering, what you guys think about this >>>>>>>>>>>>> concept? How >>>>>>>>>>>>> far you would go with it and why? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any interest into a more complex concept >>>>>>>>>>>>> behind this >>>>>>>>>>>>> all which maybe could even confuse you as to what's >>>>>>>>>>>>> your reality >>>>>>>>>>>>> and what's the gaming one? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts are welcome :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Lenron Brown > Cell: 985-271-2832 > Skype: ron.brown762 > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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