the so called dangers of it don't bother me right now. Hell it's at least a few years off before it's as good as we might want it anyways. I am a risk taker anyways.
On 3/21/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> wrote: > Shaun, > Again you are so right on all of your just said! > Like I said, whenever I talk about it, I make sure to also talk about > how dangerous this can be and it should be considered before anything else. > Now, well, what I wouldn't give to have the same experience you had with > the headset :) > > Cheers, > Marcio > AKA /Starboy/ > > > Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> > > Em 21/03/2019 07:30, Shaun Everiss escreveu: >> >> Well startrek did have the safety systems in their holodecks but even >> then. >> >> If a reality was to merge with a gaming one, there would have to be >> differences betwene actual real life or actual reality. >> >> Things like well a day of game life would be an hour or less of real >> life could be a minute, and if you got adicted hmmm all sorts of issues. >> >> To be honest, even if vr would become a reality, its doubtfull that >> most of us would be able to afford it on a large scale. >> >> I got close to it during one of my research studdies, I had a gaming >> 3d headset, and used an iphone to play a game, I closed my eyes, the >> place was darkened, and I was able to enter some sort of different >> reality even though I never actually moved from my location. >> >> After it was all over, I asked exactly how much for someone like me to >> do it again for myself. >> >> You would need a computer or iphone for that to work. >> >> However the cost of the set alone bulky that it was would cost me 500 >> us +. >> >> While I could afford it, thats still a lot of cash, Now I can probably >> afford 1-200 bucks at a stretch, but thats a lot so I only spend more >> than that if I need something. >> >> Whenever I have had to really spend a huge amount, upgrading voices, >> tech, etc like I did this year with the help of my family, it >> basically means that my spend cash for anything huge is gone for at >> least 6 months or so. >> >> Assuming nothing like drives fail or something important happens I can >> try again. >> >> But there are always other things to get. >> >> Due to the fact I have fibre, I will eventually need a new router for >> things to run right. >> >> While the 500 dollar router is an isp one and is therefore free to me, >> the 100 or so bucks for the upgrade of the extender is something I >> need to get. >> >> I am not sure if I will get it but I may get an external firewall box >> which may cost 200 bucks. >> >> I spent 500 alone on upgrades I needed to get this year alone for the >> systems, and well, a set well who knows. >> >> Its not on the top of my priorities. >> >> Now I have sets similar to what I tested but not in that class but >> they work. >> >> If I get through this year and don't need to cough up cash for >> something that fails or something in my offline life that needs >> fixing, then the next bit of cash I need to spend is to upgrade the >> almost dead server that handles some things that are mostly transfered >> to other places. >> >> And there are other projects I want to get at. >> >> I have to many sets to afford the space for more in any case. >> >> Space is the issue for some stuff. >> >> As for an actual vr set, I don't know if its worth it. >> >> For the blind high quality headphones that fit over the ear are enough. >> >> Even if all the things with vr actually worked, you would a need a way >> to bail out if an emergency happened etc. >> >> And while I can get carried away now, I can't do it while people are >> out of the house in fact a lot of the time I don't use the headset >> because of this. >> >> Cutting out all sences can be dangerous. >> >> Look at pokemon go. >> >> That was an orgmented reality game. >> >> True, there was a craze, some people got really into the spirrit of it. >> >> But while there were even themed stores and stuff in real life, the >> fact was that there were issues which would make the user think twice >> about getting carried away with something that could sporn objects >> anywhere using the real world for objects and the like. >> >> There are gaming arieas in random places, war zones, houses, forbidden >> places, some rumors. >> >> People have gone to arieas in game that were in the middle of roads, >> and have gotten run over. >> >> People have gone into houses to play because there was an ariea in the >> phone, and got shot. >> >> Its reported north corria has some between them and south and well >> there are military bases with gaming arieas in them. >> >> People have lost jobs, and real lives over orgmented reality and thats >> only going to get worse. >> >> There are warnings that people live in their phones even to the point >> that married couples can't leave their phones, kids and adults alike. >> >> For a more recent game, think fortnight. >> >> Children have got so addicted they will play for days on end, not eat, >> sleep, go to school, they will get stuck in the game. >> >> My question to you then is, should we even start. >> >> This is not real vr just yet, but there is a lot of evidence that even >> orgmented psudo reality if not used right is quite dangerous. >> >> This excludes anyone that wants to do malicious things in it. >> >> I mean a vr virus could exist, vr chrimes, etc. >> >> We allready have the net. >> >> The neet is like the real world almost. >> >> We try to control it and barely can do so. >> >> We do have laws for some stuff, but most of us only stay on the edge >> of the net world. >> >> The dark web is in the middle of it, and its like mobville, a lot of >> bad stuff happens online a lot more than we can actually handle right >> now. >> >> While we have rules inforcing laws accross borders is a challenge. >> >> Unless you are like china or other countries that sensor everything >> and kill anyone that goes against anything they think is bad. >> >> Even then, you can't really control the net, its just to big. >> >> If we can't control the net well barely control it, we can't control vr. >> >> There are to many security breaches netwide to call the net a safe >> place to live in. >> >> Now we do, but thats another story. >> >> We are not ready for vr, and the net is getting big fast. >> >> They say ai will destroy us, I suspect that we aren't ready for that >> either. >> >> The only reason most of us aren >> >> 't dead yet is probably because we don't know half of what is going on >> online we just do whatever is needed. >> >> Once we control the world, and the net and our reality first then we >> can decide on what is next. >> >> We are going to get into a situation where barely control will be no >> control, and well you loose control of everything and boom its all over. >> >> We barely have control to what you would concidder full control, we >> know enough but not enough at the same time. >> >> Right now it all looks cool, but no one has thought about later just yet. >> >> >> On 21/03/2019 9:26 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote: >>> Shaun, >>> Of course you are right! >>> The idea of merging these two things into only one would be very >>> dangerous. >>> That's why, whenever this subject come in, I make sure to say that if >>> we ever could get to that point, then it would have to be done very, >>> very carefully, considering most (if not all) of the possible scenarios. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>> >>> Em 21/03/2019 05:16, Shaun Everiss escreveu: >>>> >>>> I wouldn't to be honest. >>>> >>>> Firstly, look at the matrix. >>>> >>>> Then read better than life red dwarf book and you would find several >>>> reasons why completely merging realities just isn't a good idea. >>>> >>>> Merging reality with the real world is fine as long as you can get >>>> out again. >>>> >>>> For me gaming is a way to get away from reality, I know people that >>>> can get adicted to the real thing but I do also know if I need to >>>> stop I can get up out of my chair and just do it. >>>> >>>> Games are games, reality is reality. >>>> >>>> If you read all the scifi books and movies about, the general ting >>>> is yes you can, but then its really not a good idea to try to mess >>>> with that. >>>> >>>> Even if you could, the expence of the gear is a big drawback. >>>> >>>> As far as you can do with audio then fine, but the rest I don't know. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21/03/2019 8:23 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote: >>>>> Well, it must have someone interested in all of this we have to talk! >>>>> It's just a matter of look for the right person. >>>>> Maybe if we could spread about this list, this subject would very >>>>> well attract some attention of someone on this :) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>> >>>>> Em 20/03/2019 16:03, Ron Kolesar escreveu: >>>>>> I also agree on that point. >>>>>> But who to get a hold of to tell them our stories? >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Lenron >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:30 >>>>>> To: blind-gamers@groups.io >>>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] food for thought: How far you would go >>>>>> as to merging your reality with the gaming one? >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be cool if we could talk to a company that was working on >>>>>> VR, >>>>>> so that accessibility and things are not an after thought. You know >>>>>> getting in on the ground floor. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/19/19, marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>> <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> wrote: >>>>>>> Lenron, >>>>>>> This could be a good solution as well. One I hadn't thought of, >>>>>>> by the way. >>>>>>> See, guys, there are some interesting ideas! I'm thinking, maybe >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> is someone we can talk with to discuss these ideas and perhaps >>>>>>> turn them >>>>>>> (or at least some of them) into reality? >>>>>>> What you guys think about it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Marcio >>>>>>> AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Em 19/03/2019 14:31, Lenron escreveu: >>>>>>>> I am willing to bet you could choose your sensory input levels >>>>>>>> maybe. >>>>>>>> Like maybe you would only feel 20 percent of the pain or >>>>>>>> something on >>>>>>>> easy mode. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/19/19, marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>>>> <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Interesting point, Devin! >>>>>>>>> Your point seem to be in accordance with Luke's one. >>>>>>>>> However, as we (John - I think - and I have said), just because >>>>>>>>> we're >>>>>>>>> blind in real life, doesn't mean we have/need to be when >>>>>>>>> playing, after >>>>>>>>> all, it's a game. >>>>>>>>> Whatever road, though, would bring us a lot of fun. I imagine >>>>>>>>> the other >>>>>>>>> players would actually be surprised if they ever see a person >>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>> cane among them. Lol >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Marcio >>>>>>>>> AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Em 19/03/2019 09:58, Devin Prater escreveu: >>>>>>>>>> I really think Virtual reality would be great for learning to use >>>>>>>>>> sensory substitution things, like the vOICe, at >>>>>>>>>> seeingwithsound.com >>>>>>>>>> <http://seeingwithsound.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Besides that though, being able to see in a VR game would be >>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>> hard to simulate for a blind person, unless the things we use, >>>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>>> virtual cane and such, were invissible for other players. And >>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>> then, we'd be slower than others, just by the fact that we'd >>>>>>>>>> have more >>>>>>>>>> info to take in, we'd have to physically explore our >>>>>>>>>> enviornment with >>>>>>>>>> the cane rather than just turn the head to look around, and, >>>>>>>>>> so things >>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be equal. However, this doesn't negate how much fun we'd >>>>>>>>>> have, just like current video games. Shoot, I could play Dissidia >>>>>>>>>> Final Fantasy for hours, using OCR of course, but its still >>>>>>>>>> fun as >>>>>>>>>> heck. >>>>>>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>>>>>> sent from Gmail. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 7:34 AM marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>>>>>> <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:yahoo.com...@groups.io>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hmm, I think you're right, I hadn't considered it all. >>>>>>>>>> But still (not that it's possible for now), what if >>>>>>>>>> someday they >>>>>>>>>> could develop a kind of technology capable of make you >>>>>>>>>> feel this >>>>>>>>>> sensation and forget about it right away? >>>>>>>>>> Of course I don't know how it could be done but I tell >>>>>>>>>> you, when >>>>>>>>>> it comes to technology, I won't doubt anything, not anymore. >>>>>>>>>> Even though, your point is still valid. Before accepting >>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>> complex concept, one needs to think of the implications >>>>>>>>>> it would >>>>>>>>>> carry along, of course, with the good things. >>>>>>>>>> A long way to go, isn't it? >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook >>>>>>>>>> <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Em 19/03/2019 09:20, john escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>> Here's the thing: just because a sensation was created >>>>>>>>>>> by a game, >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean you didn't experience that sensation. If >>>>>>>>>>> games got >>>>>>>>>>> realistic enough that they could fully simulate reality >>>>>>>>>>> and you >>>>>>>>>>> faceplanted the sidewalk, it doesn't matter that your >>>>>>>>>>> nose isn't >>>>>>>>>>> broken in real life, you'll still experience what it >>>>>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>>>>> like, and you'll remember that experience. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So yeah, when you quit the game (presumably almost >>>>>>>>>>> immediately >>>>>>>>>>> because broken bones hurt) you'll be back in the "real" >>>>>>>>>>> reality >>>>>>>>>>> and your nose won't be broken anymore, but you'll still >>>>>>>>>>> remember >>>>>>>>>>> what it felt like, and that's where a lot of trauma >>>>>>>>>>> comes from. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You've probably paid someone to mutilate your body >>>>>>>>>>> before (ever >>>>>>>>>>> had teeth pulled?), but you (hopefully) don't remember >>>>>>>>>>> it and >>>>>>>>>>> have no lasting impact, because you were asleep for the >>>>>>>>>>> process, >>>>>>>>>>> and didn't experience any of it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So in short - just because it's artificially created >>>>>>>>>>> sensation >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean it's not sensation, and that's where true >>>>>>>>>>> VR gets >>>>>>>>>>> terrifying (because it doesn't always have to be in the >>>>>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>>>>> of a game you play willingly). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2019 23:43 >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* blind-gamers@groups.io >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] food for thought: How far >>>>>>>>>>> you would >>>>>>>>>>> go as to merging your reality with the gaming one? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I agree. But it's still about gaming, so, even if you were >>>>>>>>>>> confused with the two realities, you always would have >>>>>>>>>>> the "exit >>>>>>>>>>> door". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some experiences, of course, wouldn't be that cool to >>>>>>>>>>> have :) but >>>>>>>>>>> well, apart from the feelings, sensation, it's nothing >>>>>>>>>>> more than >>>>>>>>>>> a game :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook >>>>>>>>>>> <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Em 18/03/2019 08:12, john escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>> This would be awesome, depending on the game. Game >>>>>>>>>>>> worlds can be >>>>>>>>>>>> a lot harsher than reality, and as incredible as it >>>>>>>>>>>> might be to >>>>>>>>>>>> experience some of them, others... not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* marcio via Groups.Io >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com...@groups.io> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 19:32 >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* blind-gamers@groups.io >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [blind-gamers] food for thought: How far you >>>>>>>>>>>> would go >>>>>>>>>>>> as to merging your reality with the gaming one? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello folks, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just now I was randomly chatting with one person and >>>>>>>>>>>> then the >>>>>>>>>>>> "virtual reality" subject matter came up. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So was wondering, what you guys think about this >>>>>>>>>>>> concept? How >>>>>>>>>>>> far you would go with it and why? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any interest into a more complex concept >>>>>>>>>>>> behind this >>>>>>>>>>>> all which maybe could even confuse you as to what's >>>>>>>>>>>> your reality >>>>>>>>>>>> and what's the gaming one? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts are welcome :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Marcio AKA /Starboy/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > > > > > -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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