For the screen reader users among us, in the gaming console microsoft specific case potential buyers need to check for narrator-accessible and that gets it specific. I have no clue what ps5 uses for a screen reader so that may be a different term to check for when buying those games. When developers and console providers start loosing sales since specific-accessible terms fare undisclosed or fail to materialize in performance in specific-accessible use cases maybe some of them will start to get a clue.
-- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, Cara Quinn wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Unfortunately, this is an issue across the board. Accessibility on consoles > is still just hit and miss at this point in my opinion. > > While the digital culture holds up accessibility for all as a nice talking > point, there is critical logic in the development processes of each company > that is usually lacking in some way. There are exceptions, such as Apple, but > even then, there are failures. > > -And, Microsoft as you mention has great accessibility but fails when it > comes to other critical areas in games or apps that do not work with Narrator > or are only partially accessible. > > this also gets back to the way the term accessible is used, I feel. > > It’s wonderful to see accessibility even as a prominent talking point now, > but it also does not yet really always mean accessibility for all. So it’s > kind of an oxymoron at times. lol! -Know what I mean? > > Accessibility is a big term. For example, I’m really keyed into my own > disability and what needs to happen in certain circumstances to make things > accessible in regard to it, but I need to step out of that to take into > account, other disabilities as well. So it takes work on my part to promote > as much inclusivity as possible in the work that I do. So developers really > need to take initiative to be thoughtful and considerate and really learn > about their customers’ needs in the design process and follow through with > that in development and testing. > > It’s not always easy, and inspiration goes a long way to getting developers > interested in what they can do and letting them realize that these are not > necessarily insurmountable hurtles. There are a lot of tools out there and > sometimes it just takes making developers aware that true accessibility is > possible without breaking the bank. :) > > Sometimes, a coder might be very inspired to help but they may feel that they > themselves know the absolute best way that something should be done. this as > we all have seen, can go super horribly. So it’s important to encourage good, > positive dialogue and keep that inspiration alive and help guide them at the > same time. > > Anyway, enough from me! lol! You all already know this. :) > > I’ll get off my soap box now. :) > > > thanks for reading and have a great weekend! > > Cheers! > > Cara > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:48 PM, Peter Donahue <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Good evening everyone, > > > > More work needs to be done to improve the accessibility of > > apps and games on the Xbox. I’ve tried to find accessible games and > > repeatedly asked on this list for suggestions but got no where. > > > > Another issue is the failure of Microsoft and app > > developers to work together to insure that their apps work with Narrator. > > You Tube TV is one such App that will not speak at all even when Narrator > > is enabled. Spectrum TV, You Tube, Max, Fox Nation, and other apps that > > work very well on other platforms and devices won’t work on the Xbox with > > Narrator. This is something Microsoft needs to get serious about and demand > > that developers of the above-mentioned apps partner to enable their > > products to function with Narrator. The same also goes for developers of > > Games for the Xbox. Here’s hoping users of other gaming consoles aren’t > > having this trouble. All the best. > > > > Peter Donahue > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Cara > > Quinn > > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 6:08 PM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Cc: Cara Quinn <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>; > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found > > better x box? or ps 5? > > > > Mich, > > > > Just my opinion, but if PS-5 is what you’re after, you really don’t need > > the built-in drive unless you either have older PS games that you’d like to > > import or if you want to play movies like you mentioned. > > > > I’ll revisit the Blu-ray player to see if everything is accessible on it. I > > tried it when I got the console but at the time I was not completely > > familiar with navigating it with the controller so I will need to look at > > it again. I will let you know what I find. > > > > Regarding X-Box, you can set it up independently from what I remember. If I > > remember correctly, the keystroke to turn on Narrator works right out of > > the box so it’s really no biggie. > > > > From what I can remember, I actually think I had an easier time setting up > > the X-Box than I did with the PS-5 but that’s just me. :) Your milage may > > vary. > > > > Anyway, have a great evening and best of luck with what you decide. Will > > write when I have more info. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:54 PM, <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Hi Cara and all. Yes you bring up a verry good point. Accessibillidey is a > > verry Brod term and you almost have to divide the accessibillidey into the > > different disibillideys for instance madder skills, vi, blind, wheel chair > > etc. since what might be accessible to some one in a wheel chair might be > > pointless to play for those of us who have no sight or verry limmided > > sight. The same go’s for vi people who have some sight verses some one who > > has no sight things like couler contrast font size and other things don’t > > mean anything to those of us who have no sight. I have played audio games > > for years and I used to play my sisters Nintendo first when I had some > > sight up until I was 6. So I am just trying to play some more console > > games. Of korce I need to save up for a consul and the differences between > > x box and ps 5 and the 2 different ps 5’s that are out there is kindof > > overwhelming. That is why I am asking so many questions and trying to get > > as much info as I can. I have saved up just a small amount for the ps 5. I > > like that since I have seen vidiows of games using that that the screen > > reader starts right away as I have said and there is no need for sighted > > help when it comes to setting it up. I am sure the same is true of x box > > but just from looking around on YouTube I can’t find any vidiows that show > > narader in action on x box except if you count those that show you how to > > tern it off and on lol. From Mich. > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Cara > > Quinn > > Sent: August 3, 2023 5:32 PM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Cc: Cara Quinn <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>; > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found > > better x box? or ps 5? > > > > Hi Mich, > > > > I have no idea about the Spiderman games and I’m wondering about them > > myself. > > > > I have not heard anything definitive on this which brings up a really > > important point I think. > > > > This has come up here before, but the concept of accessibility is kind of a > > pain the way it is used when people are describing games. > > > > For example, when I was looking up info on Hogwarts Legacy, it looked, for > > all intents and purposes that the game could be played without sight but > > that’s just not the case, unless I’m missing some really basic features > > somewhere. :) > > > > I can get through the menus and such but as I mentioned, the most basic > > features of assisted navigation or having any kind of audio guides etc are > > just not there. So I can’t find any way at present to really play the game > > without assistance right from the start. > > > > So calling this game accessible is a no go in my opinion. > > > > Anyway, so far, from what I’ve read on the Spiderman games, I can’t find > > anything that specifically says that it has features that would be > > necessary or even helpful in actual game-play for someone playing without > > any sight at all. > > > > I’ll give the site you mentioned a look and see if I’ve missed anything > > though. I’m very curious. > > > > Thanks Mich, if I find out anything more about any of the games in this > > thread, I’ll be sure to let you know. > > > > Have a great day! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:57 PM, <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Hello yes that does help. I have played the Vale on the pc and beet it and > > liked the game. I have not played any of the other games you menchend. Is > > it true that the spiderman games would be pliable by those of us who are > > blind? Since I red that on the websight caniplaythat.com > > <http://caniplaythat.com/> from Mich. > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Cara > > Quinn > > Sent: August 3, 2023 4:32 PM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Cc: Cara Quinn <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found > > better x box? or ps 5? > > > > also, on X-Box, there are The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, A Western Drama, > > and Forza Horizon 5. > > > > A Western Drama is fair at best, in my opinion, but is specifically > > designed for blind folks. > > > > I have The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, but have not gotten into it yet. I > > believe it is also specifically designed to be played without sight, as it > > has no graphics to speak of. > > > > Forza Horizon 5 is my favorite game at the minute, (and it has been for > > some time now) but I would say, is somewhat accessible. There are a few > > sticking points in the game but once you get past them and learn how the > > game works, you can certainly enjoy about 75 percent of it accessibly. It’s > > far from perfect but It really is very good for a mainstream racing > > experience. > > > > I’m also looking forward to the release of the next Forza Motorsport. > > > > Regarding PS-5, Really, the only games I’ve found so far to be completely > > accessible, are the Last of Us 1 and 2. > > > > I’m also playing Hogwarts Legacy with a friend and while it is sort of > > accessible in some ways, it lacks some crucial features for simple in-game > > navigation which really make it close to impossible to play without sight. > > > > Hogwarts Legacy is also available on X-Box but right now I’m only playing > > it on PS-5. If I try it on X-Box and find that it’s any better, I will > > certainly let y'all know. > > > > I’m trying to research other truly blind-accessible games for PS-5 at the > > minute as well, so I am also interested in other’s experiences with this. > > > > Hope this helps and have a great day! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:59 AM, Lenron <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Diablo iv, forza motorsport will be comes out in a couple months. As > > dusk falls. Are a few I can think of off the top of my head. > > > > On 8/3/23, goshawk on horseback <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am still trying to find what accessible games, if there are any, are > > available for xbox, as that is what I have. > > > > Simon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jen . > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 9:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have > > found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > What genres of games are available for both systems and what version of > > both systems have the accessibility. > > Would either one of these systems be playable by someone with no vision. > > Jen > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 1:58 AM, goshawk on horseback > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would agree with this, as whilst I have heard about the speech being > > available on the PS5, I have also heard that it isn't up to much, where as I > > can say that the speech on the Xbox is good. > > > > Simon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: michael barnes > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 4:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have > > found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > I prefer the Xbox. I feel that the Xbox is more accessible than > > PlayStation five. However, it is a persons preference. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Mich Verrier <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all I am also wondering witch game consul is better x box? Or ps > > 5? I have red about PS 5 Thor Ragnarock edditions as well and would like to > > know what those are? Also are you able to use the PS 5 To play blue ray > > movies? And if so is the accessibillidey extend to just games? Or if you > > wanted to play a blue ray dvd of a movie could you do it and still have a > > screen reader option reading you the menu? I know that this can be dun on a > > PS 5 playing blue rays I mean so I thought I would ask if playing blue ray > > movies would also be possible but was not shure about the menu of the ps 5 > > if it would read out what you needed toknow or if it was only for gameing? I > > have never dun this before and so that is the reason why I thought I would > > ask. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from Temiskaming Shores Ontario Canada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lenron Brown > > > > > > Skype: ron.brown762 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#126481): https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/message/126481 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/100537526/21656 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/leave/607459/21656/1071380848/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
