The only people that don't live on fixed incomes are the ultrawealthy and they're maybe 1% of the population.
-- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, Mich Verrier wrote: > Hi Peater and all. Yes I agree with this this is why I want to do as much > research on each consul as I can wile I am saveing up because spending 300 or > over 700 is really expencive ispeshley if you live on a fixt income witch a > lot of us do and that is just for the consul it's self. That is why I want to > make Shure that each one is as accessible as I need it to be and for me as > some one who is blind this meens that they have to work with witch other > screen reader is used if that be x box with narrator or ps 5 with talk back > or what ever screen reader they use. Btw are there really games that say > narrator compatible? And it would be nice to find a list of games that work > for blind people specifically. Even on the caniplaythat.com website when I > did a surtch for blind games there were a few but considering the expense of > the consuls I think there were around 6 games 3 between each consul. in > total. And keeping in mind when I am talking about accessibile games I am > talking about those that you don't have to use OCR With that you as a blind > person can play with out sighted help what so ever. As I said it would be > different for those on the list who have some vision or other disibillidies > but speaking for my self I am talking about being toatley blind and needing > games that can be played with out sighted help or with as little sighted help > as possible. From Mich. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter > Donahue > Sent: August 4, 2023 9:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] XBox and Company > > Hello Jude and everyone, > > The same also goes for cable tv replacement and other video apps. We've > used Disney Plus, Apple TV, Amazon Prime Video, Microsoft Edge, and Peacock > TV successfully with Narrator. It's not cool when you ask a technician to > install this or that app on your Xbox only to find that it doesn't work with > Narrator. It's a waste of your time and theirs. > > Peter Donahue > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jude > DaShiell > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 7:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Cara Quinn <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] XBox and Company > > For the screen reader users among us, in the gaming console microsoft > specific case potential buyers need to check for narrator-accessible and that > gets it specific. I have no clue what ps5 uses for a screen reader so that > may be a different term to check for when buying those games. > When developers and console providers start loosing sales since > specific-accessible terms fare undisclosed or fail to materialize in > performance in specific-accessible use cases maybe some of them will start to > get a clue. > > -- > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. > Please use in that order." > Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, Cara Quinn wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > Unfortunately, this is an issue across the board. Accessibility on consoles > > is still just hit and miss at this point in my opinion. > > > > While the digital culture holds up accessibility for all as a nice talking > > point, there is critical logic in the development processes of each company > > that is usually lacking in some way. There are exceptions, such as Apple, > > but even then, there are failures. > > > > -And, Microsoft as you mention has great accessibility but fails when it > > comes to other critical areas in games or apps that do not work with > > Narrator or are only partially accessible. > > > > this also gets back to the way the term accessible is used, I feel. > > > > It’s wonderful to see accessibility even as a prominent talking point now, > > but it also does not yet really always mean accessibility for all. So it’s > > kind of an oxymoron at times. lol! -Know what I mean? > > > > Accessibility is a big term. For example, I’m really keyed into my own > > disability and what needs to happen in certain circumstances to make things > > accessible in regard to it, but I need to step out of that to take into > > account, other disabilities as well. So it takes work on my part to promote > > as much inclusivity as possible in the work that I do. So developers really > > need to take initiative to be thoughtful and considerate and really learn > > about their customers’ needs in the design process and follow through with > > that in development and testing. > > > > It’s not always easy, and inspiration goes a long way to getting > > developers interested in what they can do and letting them realize > > that these are not necessarily insurmountable hurtles. There are a lot > > of tools out there and sometimes it just takes making developers aware > > that true accessibility is possible without breaking the bank. :) > > > > Sometimes, a coder might be very inspired to help but they may feel that > > they themselves know the absolute best way that something should be done. > > this as we all have seen, can go super horribly. So it’s important to > > encourage good, positive dialogue and keep that inspiration alive and help > > guide them at the same time. > > > > Anyway, enough from me! lol! You all already know this. :) > > > > I’ll get off my soap box now. :) > > > > > > thanks for reading and have a great weekend! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:48 PM, Peter Donahue <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Good evening everyone, > > > > > > More work needs to be done to improve the accessibility > > > of apps and games on the Xbox. I’ve tried to find accessible games and > > > repeatedly asked on this list for suggestions but got no where. > > > > > > Another issue is the failure of Microsoft and app > > > developers to work together to insure that their apps work with Narrator. > > > You Tube TV is one such App that will not speak at all even when Narrator > > > is enabled. Spectrum TV, You Tube, Max, Fox Nation, and other apps that > > > work very well on other platforms and devices won’t work on the Xbox with > > > Narrator. This is something Microsoft needs to get serious about and > > > demand that developers of the above-mentioned apps partner to enable > > > their products to function with Narrator. The same also goes for > > > developers of Games for the Xbox. Here’s hoping users of other gaming > > > consoles aren’t having this trouble. All the best. > > > > > > Peter Donahue > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > > > Of Cara Quinn > > > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 6:08 PM > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Cc: Cara Quinn <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have > > > found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > Mich, > > > > > > Just my opinion, but if PS-5 is what you’re after, you really don’t need > > > the built-in drive unless you either have older PS games that you’d like > > > to import or if you want to play movies like you mentioned. > > > > > > I’ll revisit the Blu-ray player to see if everything is accessible on it. > > > I tried it when I got the console but at the time I was not completely > > > familiar with navigating it with the controller so I will need to look at > > > it again. I will let you know what I find. > > > > > > Regarding X-Box, you can set it up independently from what I remember. If > > > I remember correctly, the keystroke to turn on Narrator works right out > > > of the box so it’s really no biggie. > > > > > > From what I can remember, I actually think I had an easier time setting > > > up the X-Box than I did with the PS-5 but that’s just me. :) Your milage > > > may vary. > > > > > > Anyway, have a great evening and best of luck with what you decide. Will > > > write when I have more info. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:54 PM, <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Cara and all. Yes you bring up a verry good point. Accessibillidey is > > > a verry Brod term and you almost have to divide the accessibillidey into > > > the different disibillideys for instance madder skills, vi, blind, wheel > > > chair etc. since what might be accessible to some one in a wheel chair > > > might be pointless to play for those of us who have no sight or verry > > > limmided sight. The same go’s for vi people who have some sight verses > > > some one who has no sight things like couler contrast font size and other > > > things don’t mean anything to those of us who have no sight. I have > > > played audio games for years and I used to play my sisters Nintendo first > > > when I had some sight up until I was 6. So I am just trying to play some > > > more console games. Of korce I need to save up for a consul and the > > > differences between x box and ps 5 and the 2 different ps 5’s that are > > > out there is kindof overwhelming. That is why I am asking so many > > > questions and trying to get as much info as I can. I have saved up just a > > > small amount for the ps 5. I like that since I have seen vidiows of games > > > using that that the screen reader starts right away as I have said and > > > there is no need for sighted help when it comes to setting it up. I am > > > sure the same is true of x box but just from looking around on YouTube I > > > can’t find any vidiows that show narader in action on x box except if you > > > count those that show you how to tern it off and on lol. From Mich. > > > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > > > Of Cara Quinn > > > Sent: August 3, 2023 5:32 PM > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Cc: Cara Quinn <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have > > > found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > Hi Mich, > > > > > > I have no idea about the Spiderman games and I’m wondering about them > > > myself. > > > > > > I have not heard anything definitive on this which brings up a really > > > important point I think. > > > > > > This has come up here before, but the concept of accessibility is kind of > > > a pain the way it is used when people are describing games. > > > > > > For example, when I was looking up info on Hogwarts Legacy, it > > > looked, for all intents and purposes that the game could be played > > > without sight but that’s just not the case, unless I’m missing some > > > really basic features somewhere. :) > > > > > > I can get through the menus and such but as I mentioned, the most basic > > > features of assisted navigation or having any kind of audio guides etc > > > are just not there. So I can’t find any way at present to really play the > > > game without assistance right from the start. > > > > > > So calling this game accessible is a no go in my opinion. > > > > > > Anyway, so far, from what I’ve read on the Spiderman games, I can’t find > > > anything that specifically says that it has features that would be > > > necessary or even helpful in actual game-play for someone playing without > > > any sight at all. > > > > > > I’ll give the site you mentioned a look and see if I’ve missed anything > > > though. I’m very curious. > > > > > > Thanks Mich, if I find out anything more about any of the games in this > > > thread, I’ll be sure to let you know. > > > > > > Have a great day! > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:57 PM, <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > Hello yes that does help. I have played the Vale on the pc and beet it > > > and liked the game. I have not played any of the other games you > > > menchend. Is it true that the spiderman games would be pliable by those > > > of us who are blind? Since I red that on the websight caniplaythat.com > > > <http://caniplaythat.com/> from Mich. > > > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > > > Of Cara Quinn > > > Sent: August 3, 2023 4:32 PM > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Cc: Cara Quinn <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have > > > found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > also, on X-Box, there are The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, A Western > > > Drama, and Forza Horizon 5. > > > > > > A Western Drama is fair at best, in my opinion, but is specifically > > > designed for blind folks. > > > > > > I have The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, but have not gotten into it yet. I > > > believe it is also specifically designed to be played without sight, as > > > it has no graphics to speak of. > > > > > > Forza Horizon 5 is my favorite game at the minute, (and it has been for > > > some time now) but I would say, is somewhat accessible. There are a few > > > sticking points in the game but once you get past them and learn how the > > > game works, you can certainly enjoy about 75 percent of it accessibly. > > > It’s far from perfect but It really is very good for a mainstream racing > > > experience. > > > > > > I’m also looking forward to the release of the next Forza Motorsport. > > > > > > Regarding PS-5, Really, the only games I’ve found so far to be completely > > > accessible, are the Last of Us 1 and 2. > > > > > > I’m also playing Hogwarts Legacy with a friend and while it is sort of > > > accessible in some ways, it lacks some crucial features for simple > > > in-game navigation which really make it close to impossible to play > > > without sight. > > > > > > Hogwarts Legacy is also available on X-Box but right now I’m only playing > > > it on PS-5. If I try it on X-Box and find that it’s any better, I will > > > certainly let y'all know. > > > > > > I’m trying to research other truly blind-accessible games for PS-5 at the > > > minute as well, so I am also interested in other’s experiences with this. > > > > > > Hope this helps and have a great day! > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:59 AM, Lenron <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > Diablo iv, forza motorsport will be comes out in a couple months. As > > > dusk falls. Are a few I can think of off the top of my head. > > > > > > On 8/3/23, goshawk on horseback <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still trying to find what accessible games, if there are any, > > > are available for xbox, as that is what I have. > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jen . > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 9:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople > > > have found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > > > > What genres of games are available for both systems and what > > > version of both systems have the accessibility. > > > Would either one of these systems be playable by someone with no vision. > > > Jen > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 1:58 AM, goshawk on horseback > > > <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would agree with this, as whilst I have heard about the speech > > > being available on the PS5, I have also heard that it isn't up to > > > much, where as I can say that the speech on the Xbox is good. > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: michael barnes > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 4:36 AM > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch > > > epople have found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > > > > I prefer the Xbox. I feel that the Xbox is more accessible than > > > PlayStation five. However, it is a persons preference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Mich Verrier <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all I am also wondering witch game consul is better x box? > > > Or ps 5? I have red about PS 5 Thor Ragnarock edditions as well and > > > would like to know what those are? Also are you able to use the PS 5 > > > To play blue ray movies? And if so is the accessibillidey extend to > > > just games? Or if you wanted to play a blue ray dvd of a movie could > > > you do it and still have a screen reader option reading you the > > > menu? I know that this can be dun on a PS 5 playing blue rays I mean > > > so I thought I would ask if playing blue ray movies would also be > > > possible but was not shure about the menu of the ps 5 if it would > > > read out what you needed toknow or if it was only for gameing? I > > > have never dun this before and so that is the reason why I thought I > > > would ask. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from Temiskaming Shores Ontario > > > Canada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lenron Brown > > > > > > > > > Skype: ron.brown762 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#126486): https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/message/126486 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/100537526/21656 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/leave/607459/21656/1071380848/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
