Hmm. I hope the race events lead to progress in the story though? Or are accolades required as well? I have that accessibility option to bypass difficult challenges, can't remember the exact option offhand.
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 7:55 PM Cara Quinn <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > You might try the tip I mentioned about just picking a random direction on > the map and clicking anywhere to set a route. > > Once you get there, you can try Anna again from there. Since it will be > further away from your earlier location, she may not route you back to the > same event. > > Also, make sure you’re choosing race events and not accolades. This makes > a big difference. > > Hope this helps and please do let us know. > > If I can suggest anything else, I sure will. > > Best of luck! > > Cheers! > > Cara > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Joshua Tubbs <[email protected]> wrote: > > The issue I'm having with Anna now is that I can't seem to continue the > story event I started. Whichever race I'm close to she keeps leading me > back to it, and it's the Wing on a Prayre showcase. > > I wish she'd stop bringing me back to that. > > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 7:36 AM Lenron <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks so much for this info Cara, will put some of this into practice >> this weekend. I did do the wing on a prayer event. Then I was given >> the option to do 2 other events. I tried to do one of those then for >> some weird reason I keep passing up the spot Anna is telling me to >> stop. I can't wait until I unlock access to her with using the d pad I >> am sure that will help. I did sort of notice how you can hear where >> there is something you can go to on the map by this little ding noise >> that maybe could have been a little louder. I have to agree if they >> would have talked to someone about accessibility or blind >> accessibility when working on this game they would have gotten things >> right. Narrator seems to talk way too much when reading menu items but >> doesn't read enough of the menus. When trying to play on pc I can see >> certain things with OCR, but not enough to really help. This is using >> NVDA by the way. I am also thinking about getting a wheel for the >> Xbox, especially because motorsport will be out in a couple months. I >> am going to try your trick for getting to the beach and see if it >> works out for me. Have you been able to collect any really cool cars? >> >> On 8/4/23, Cara Quinn <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi again, just a quick update: >> > >> > Regarding when characters are talking about stories or giving you >> choices of >> > events to go to, In the case of a choice, pressing A should set a route >> to >> > the first choice. >> > >> > In the case of a story, if the character isn’t giving you a choice then >> I’ve >> > found that they usually set a route for you automatically. So you >> should not >> > press A at that point and just try driving. You should find that Anna >> will >> > be guiding you. >> > >> > Again, it’s not friendly and it would have been so simple to implement >> fixes >> > for this sort of thing but I hope these tips help and don’t cause more >> > confusion. :) >> > >> > I found a lot of this by just trial and error. >> > >> > Hope this helps at least somewhat. :) >> > >> > Cheers! >> > >> > Cara >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Cara Quinn <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey Lenron, >> >> >> >> Sorry for the delay. It’s been a busy day! :) >> >> >> >> I’ll need to go back in the list archives and see what I sent along a >> few >> >> months back. It’s been a while since I went through the initial parts >> of >> >> the game but if you can let me know where you left off, that will be >> >> helpful. >> >> >> >> What I can say is that I believe the major sticking point in the >> beginning >> >> of the game is that you need to get to the first Showcase event which >> is >> >> called “On a Wing and a Prayer” and you’re not automatically routed >> there. >> >> More specifically, I think you can start with other races as well, but >> >> you’re just not given an automatic route to start. There are ways >> around >> >> this though. >> >> >> >> I was actually able to do it myself by accident. It was really not >> clear >> >> to me what needed to be done at that point in the game but I was able >> to >> >> find the pin on the map and just pressed the A button to set a route to >> >> the On a Wing and a Prayer showcase event. If you do by chance have >> >> sighted help, the symbol for it is an airplane. >> >> >> >> I didn’t know where I was going but I did know that I was going >> somewhere! >> >> lol! >> >> >> >> From what I remember, (and someone else may be able to correct me >> here) if >> >> you can locate that event on the map and complete it, you should have >> an >> >> easier time as it will not only open up more events and races on the >> map, >> >> but will also allow you to be routed to stories automatically. >> >> >> >> When you hear one of the characters talking about a story or choice of >> >> races for example, if you just press A without doing anything else, you >> >> should automatically be routed to the first choice. You can then >> progress >> >> in the game that way. >> >> >> >> Until you can unlock the ability to just use the D-Pad to activate Anna >> >> for certain parts of the game, the game will not be super friendly but >> >> will absolutely be doable. It’s definitely not frustration-free and I >> >> really wish they would have had someone knowledgeable to consult with >> for >> >> this. -Or at least if they were able to do any kinds of updates to the >> >> accessibility systems to assist with the map, this would go a long way >> to >> >> making this a lot more fun to get started with. >> >> >> >> There are a few tips to keep in mind when using the map. >> >> >> >> 1 you can move around the map either by using the left stick or the >> D-Pad. >> >> I prefer the D-Pad as I am guaranteed a straight line as I’m moving. >> >> >> >> 2 You can zoom in or out on the map with the right and left triggers, >> >> respectively. This may make it easier to select pins. >> >> >> >> 3 You can filter the map elements by first pressing the right shoulder >> >> button, then X, and finally A to clear all map elements. If you then >> use >> >> the D-Pad to move up and down, you should see a list of map elements >> that >> >> you can click on to show on the map. Once you show the map elements you >> >> want by selecting them, you can then press B to get back to the map >> where >> >> those elements will now be displayed. >> >> >> >> 4 You can hear where pins are on the map. So when you hear one, you can >> >> simply press A to be routed there. Anna Should then let you know that >> your >> >> route is active and start giving you directions as you drive. >> >> >> >> 5 If you happen to be on a route that you don’t want to be on, you can >> >> usually cancel it by just opening the map and clicking A. >> >> >> >> 6 You can set a route to anywhere at all on the map even if you do not >> >> hear a pin. So this can at least get you started with driving. I’ll >> talk >> >> about this more below. >> >> >> >> For me, I located the first showcase event by using the D-Pad to move >> >> across the map back and forth. If I remember correctly, you’re really >> not >> >> that far away from the Wing and a Prayer showcase when you start, so it >> >> really only took a few passes across the map for me to find the pin. I >> >> can’t remember if it was north or south of me. but it wasn’t super far >> >> away, from what I can remember. Don’t hold me to it though! :) >> >> >> >> So for example, if I wanted to look for something that I only knew was >> >> north of me, I could either use D-Pad up if I knew it was straight >> north >> >> of me, and then press A when I heard the pin sound. Or, if I did not >> know >> >> specifically where it was, then I would simply hold right on the D-Pad >> >> until I reached the right edge of the map, click up once and then hold >> >> left until I reached the left side of the map and do the same thing >> >> again. >> >> >> >> Holding the D-Pad moves the cursor pretty quickly so you only need to >> wait >> >> a couple of seconds so this is not as bad as it sounds. >> >> >> >> it’s of course not super friendly but you’ll also find that you need >> to do >> >> this less and less as the game progresses. Once Anna is enabled on the >> >> D-Pad, you can have her find races etc for you automatically. >> >> >> >> As I mentioned above, the other way you can use the map early in the >> game >> >> is simply to move the cursor anywhere at all on the map and click A to >> set >> >> a route there. What should happen is that you will be creating a route >> to >> >> wherever you are pointing and Anna should then begin giving you >> >> directions. You will most likely find that you will pass races, stories >> >> and events along the way and you should be able to join these to >> progress >> >> in the game that way. >> >> >> >> You can pretty much guarantee finding races like this if you choose a >> >> point really far away from where you are. When you open the map, you >> will >> >> be pointing at your position. So if you use the D-Pad and hold a >> >> direction, wait for a couple of seconds, and then press A, you should >> then >> >> have a pretty long route set and you should find several events that >> you >> >> can participate in along the way. >> >> >> >> I still use this method to park at a place on the beach that I like. >> >> >> >> I go to a particular race event and then just move the cursor all the >> way >> >> to the right on the map and set a route there. This gets me to a >> >> particular place on the beach on the east coast of the map. >> >> >> >> I hope this helps for now. If you can give me any more details I may be >> >> able to be more specific. >> >> >> >> I’ll see if I can find anything useful that I said on the list a few >> >> months back. >> >> >> >> Best of luck! >> >> >> >> Have a great weekend, and Happy Driving! >> >> >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> >> Cara >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:47 PM, Lenron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hey Cara can you please give some info on things I need to get passed >> >>> in Forza Horizon 5? I haven't really been able to get started with >> >>> that one. I noticed that if they could fixed the map and a few other >> >>> sticking points we would be good to go. Some of the menus just don't >> >>> speak at all. It's a shame Hogwarts Legacy isn't blind accessible. I >> >>> really wanted to play this one. I really think we need to tap in more >> >>> with devs and push for even more accessibility, or really start >> >>> creating our own main stream games. That everyone else can play. >> >>> Motorsport was the first time in a long time I pre-ordered a game. I >> >>> wondere if anyone has been in touch with Ubisoft about making the crew >> >>> motorfest blind accessible. The sounds for the cars in that game is >> >>> amazing. It should be out in September. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 8/3/23, Cara Quinn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> Mich, >> >>>> >> >>>> Just my opinion, but if PS-5 is what you’re after, you really don’t >> need >> >>>> the >> >>>> built-in drive unless you either have older PS games that you’d like >> to >> >>>> import or if you want to play movies like you mentioned. >> >>>> >> >>>> I’ll revisit the Blu-ray player to see if everything is accessible on >> >>>> it. I >> >>>> tried it when I got the console but at the time I was not completely >> >>>> familiar with navigating it with the controller so I will need to >> look >> >>>> at it >> >>>> again. I will let you know what I find. >> >>>> >> >>>> Regarding X-Box, you can set it up independently from what I >> remember. >> >>>> If I >> >>>> remember correctly, the keystroke to turn on Narrator works right >> out of >> >>>> the >> >>>> box so it’s really no biggie. >> >>>> >> >>>> From what I can remember, I actually think I had an easier time >> setting >> >>>> up >> >>>> the X-Box than I did with the PS-5 but that’s just me. :) Your milage >> >>>> may >> >>>> vary. >> >>>> >> >>>> Anyway, have a great evening and best of luck with what you decide. >> >>>> Will >> >>>> write when I have more info. >> >>>> >> >>>> Cheers! >> >>>> >> >>>> Cara >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:54 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hi Cara and all. Yes you bring up a verry good point. >> Accessibillidey >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> a verry Brod term and you almost have to divide the accessibillidey >> >>>>> into >> >>>>> the different disibillideys for instance madder skills, vi, blind, >> >>>>> wheel >> >>>>> chair etc. since what might be accessible to some one in a wheel >> chair >> >>>>> might be pointless to play for those of us who have no sight or >> verry >> >>>>> limmided sight. The same go’s for vi people who have some sight >> verses >> >>>>> some one who has no sight things like couler contrast font size and >> >>>>> other >> >>>>> things don’t mean anything to those of us who have no sight. I have >> >>>>> played >> >>>>> audio games for years and I used to play my sisters Nintendo first >> when >> >>>>> I >> >>>>> had some sight up until I was 6. So I am just trying to play some >> more >> >>>>> console games. Of korce I need to save up for a consul and the >> >>>>> differences >> >>>>> between x box and ps 5 and the 2 different ps 5’s that are out there >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> kindof overwhelming. That is why I am asking so many questions and >> >>>>> trying >> >>>>> to get as much info as I can. I have saved up just a small amount >> for >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> ps 5. I like that since I have seen vidiows of games using that that >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> screen reader starts right away as I have said and there is no need >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> sighted help when it comes to setting it up. I am sure the same is >> true >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> x box but just from looking around on YouTube I can’t find any >> vidiows >> >>>>> that show narader in action on x box except if you count those that >> >>>>> show >> >>>>> you how to tern it off and on lol. From Mich. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf >> Of >> >>>>> Cara >> >>>>> Quinn >> >>>>> Sent: August 3, 2023 5:32 PM >> >>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>> Cc: Cara Quinn <[email protected] >> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>; >> >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople >> have >> >>>>> found better x box? or ps 5? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hi Mich, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have no idea about the Spiderman games and I’m wondering about >> them >> >>>>> myself. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have not heard anything definitive on this which brings up a >> really >> >>>>> important point I think. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This has come up here before, but the concept of accessibility is >> kind >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> a pain the way it is used when people are describing games. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For example, when I was looking up info on Hogwarts Legacy, it >> looked, >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> all intents and purposes that the game could be played without sight >> >>>>> but >> >>>>> that’s just not the case, unless I’m missing some really basic >> >>>>> features >> >>>>> somewhere. :) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I can get through the menus and such but as I mentioned, the most >> >>>>> basic >> >>>>> features of assisted navigation or having any kind of audio guides >> etc >> >>>>> are >> >>>>> just not there. So I can’t find any way at present to really play >> the >> >>>>> game >> >>>>> without assistance right from the start. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> So calling this game accessible is a no go in my opinion. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Anyway, so far, from what I’ve read on the Spiderman games, I can’t >> >>>>> find >> >>>>> anything that specifically says that it has features that would be >> >>>>> necessary or even helpful in actual game-play for someone playing >> >>>>> without >> >>>>> any sight at all. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I’ll give the site you mentioned a look and see if I’ve missed >> >>>>> anything >> >>>>> though. I’m very curious. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thanks Mich, if I find out anything more about any of the games in >> >>>>> this >> >>>>> thread, I’ll be sure to let you know. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Have a great day! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Cheers! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Cara >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:57 PM, <[email protected] >> >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected] >> >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hello yes that does help. I have played the Vale on the pc and beet >> >>>>>> it >> >>>>>> and liked the game. I have not played any of the other games you >> >>>>>> menchend. Is it true that the spiderman games would be pliable by >> >>>>>> those >> >>>>>> of us who are blind? Since I red that on the websight >> >>>>>> caniplaythat.com >> >>>>>> <http://caniplaythat.com/> from Mich. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On >> Behalf Of >> >>>>>> Cara Quinn >> >>>>>> Sent: August 3, 2023 4:32 PM >> >>>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>>> Cc: Cara Quinn <[email protected] >> >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople >> have >> >>>>>> found better x box? or ps 5? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> also, on X-Box, there are The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, A Western >> >>>>>> Drama, and Forza Horizon 5. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> A Western Drama is fair at best, in my opinion, but is specifically >> >>>>>> designed for blind folks. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I have The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, but have not gotten into it >> >>>>>> yet. I >> >>>>>> believe it is also specifically designed to be played without >> sight, >> >>>>>> as >> >>>>>> it has no graphics to speak of. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Forza Horizon 5 is my favorite game at the minute, (and it has been >> >>>>>> for >> >>>>>> some time now) but I would say, is somewhat accessible. There are a >> >>>>>> few >> >>>>>> sticking points in the game but once you get past them and learn >> how >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> game works, you can certainly enjoy about 75 percent of it >> >>>>>> accessibly. >> >>>>>> It’s far from perfect but It really is very good for a mainstream >> >>>>>> racing >> >>>>>> experience. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I’m also looking forward to the release of the next Forza >> Motorsport. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Regarding PS-5, Really, the only games I’ve found so far to be >> >>>>>> completely >> >>>>>> accessible, are the Last of Us 1 and 2. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I’m also playing Hogwarts Legacy with a friend and while it is sort >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> accessible in some ways, it lacks some crucial features for simple >> >>>>>> in-game navigation which really make it close to impossible to play >> >>>>>> without sight. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hogwarts Legacy is also available on X-Box but right now I’m only >> >>>>>> playing >> >>>>>> it on PS-5. If I try it on X-Box and find that it’s any better, I >> >>>>>> will >> >>>>>> certainly let y'all know. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I’m trying to research other truly blind-accessible games for PS-5 >> at >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> minute as well, so I am also interested in other’s experiences with >> >>>>>> this. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hope this helps and have a great day! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Cheers! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Cara >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:59 AM, Lenron <[email protected] >> >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Diablo iv, forza motorsport will be comes out in a couple months. >> As >> >>>>>>> dusk falls. Are a few I can think of off the top of my head. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 8/3/23, goshawk on horseback < >> [email protected] >> >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I am still trying to find what accessible games, if there are >> any, >> >>>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>> available for xbox, as that is what I have. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Simon >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>> From: Jen . >> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 9:25 AM >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople >> >>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>> found better x box? or ps 5? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> What genres of games are available for both systems and what >> >>>>>>>> version >> >>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>> both systems have the accessibility. >> >>>>>>>> Would either one of these systems be playable by someone with no >> >>>>>>>> vision. >> >>>>>>>> Jen >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 1:58 AM, goshawk on horseback >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected] >> >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I would agree with this, as whilst I have heard about the >> speech >> >>>>>>>> being >> >>>>>>>> available on the PS5, I have also heard that it isn't up to much, >> >>>>>>>> where >> >>>>>>>> as I >> >>>>>>>> can say that the speech on the Xbox is good. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Simon >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>> From: michael barnes >> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 4:36 AM >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch >> >>>>>>>> epople >> >>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>> found better x box? or ps 5? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I prefer the Xbox. I feel that the Xbox is more accessible >> than >> >>>>>>>> PlayStation five. However, it is a persons preference. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Mich Verrier < >> [email protected] >> >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Hi all I am also wondering witch game consul is better x >> box? >> >>>>>>>> Or >> >>>>>>>> ps >> >>>>>>>> 5? I have red about PS 5 Thor Ragnarock edditions as well and >> would >> >>>>>>>> like to >> >>>>>>>> know what those are? Also are you able to use the PS 5 To play >> blue >> >>>>>>>> ray >> >>>>>>>> movies? And if so is the accessibillidey extend to just games? Or >> >>>>>>>> if >> >>>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>> wanted to play a blue ray dvd of a movie could you do it and >> still >> >>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>> screen reader option reading you the menu? I know that this can >> be >> >>>>>>>> dun >> >>>>>>>> on a >> >>>>>>>> PS 5 playing blue rays I mean so I thought I would ask if >> playing >> >>>>>>>> blue >> >>>>>>>> ray >> >>>>>>>> movies would also be possible but was not shure about the menu of >> >>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> ps 5 >> >>>>>>>> if it would read out what you needed toknow or if it was only for >> >>>>>>>> gameing? I >> >>>>>>>> have never dun this before and so that is the reason why I >> thought >> >>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>> would >> >>>>>>>> ask. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from Temiskaming Shores >> Ontario >> >>>>>>>> Canada. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> Lenron Brown >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Skype: ron.brown762 >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Lenron Brown >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Skype: ron.brown762 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Lenron Brown >> >> >> Skype: ron.brown762 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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