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Because there's different time zones will it also be 3:00 in south africa? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 January 2006 02:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? 9 PM Eastern on Thursdays, and 3 PM Eastern on Saturdays in the "games people play" room of www.for-the-people.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > What time is the game chat? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Gary Whittington > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > Ekekekeke > > Guess we have a nice topic for game chat tonight. > > Some ears going to be ringing tonight. LOl > > Crash > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > >> Send something to Kevin off list as he has asked, voicing your opinion. >> I >> hope every list member sends him something, whether it be on the side >> for, >> or against, Brenda's behavior. To me, the worst thing she did was to >> post >> portions of, or entire, off list Emails to the list, making them no >> longer >> private. Unexcusable. I have sent Kevin a private Email, and have also >> sent Brenda a copy of my thoughts on how she has been handling this >> situation, and have also made my feelings known as to what should be done >> and why. Again, I hope that all list members take part in shaping the >> list >> in the future. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gary Whittington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:46 PM >> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> >>> Got to say that was not fair. With mods reminding us to take things off >>> list then posting it as though it was not a private conversation. Now >>> wlhy >>> would anybody take it off line to have some thing maybe taken out off >>> contents. A person would nick pick and reword the email to fit thier >>> agenda. >>> I myself find anything new or even justifying in the email to have such >>> a >>> thing to be done. IN fact if there was any justifying reason to do such >>> an >>> act no one sould do it. no one asked to see the private messages and >>> doing >>> some thing like is not knocking a person character but the one who who >>> did >>> the public posting. We all don't like public flogging and thats whatit >>> looked like and a a ploy for more flogging and ridecue. >>> >>> The action and reaction of this is going not help the moderation of the >>> list when a mod ask a person to take it of list and they want to take to >>> the >>> email member to talk to them privately, how can one trust a mod to keep >>> it >>> private between them. It certaining looks like a mistake, if one gets >>> caught up in the moment and a retracktion is is the best thing all >>> around. >>> When I read the post I felt dirty. So, as others I am sure, not to >>> mention >>> James who's trust was broken in thinking that emailing a moderator, >>> would >>> break this common sense trust. >>> >>> I am only trying to be fair and truthfull here and not wanting to stir >>> up >>> anything up. This email group for me gets my most email in my box and >>> yes, >>> its a tough enough job to mod it as I see it in my email box. For us on >>> the >>> list we don't see what gets through for this and that, and I am happy >>> for >>> it. But do we going to need a Mod for the moderators. >>> >>> So, since this email has to about flaming and flogging, I have done so. >>> Not >>> on anybody but on a matter that is very important and that is posting >>> private messages to a public form. The list has rules now and maybe its >>> up >>> to the members now to look at making rules for the Moderators. This >>> email >>> may spawn off other threads, well so be it, maybe all this will make the >>> list even better in the long run I took some time off before writting >>> this >>> email, and that may have been the right choice for me and for those who >>> may >>> get caught up in something and later wishes they had not. This list >>> certainly has people who cares and thats great. WE have a passion for >>> games >>> and that is the heart of this email list. We want this email to be as >>> good >>> as it can be and once awhile the passion blinds us in what we are doing, >>> being good or bad. So, when we all can try to remember, at times to sit >>> back before going off and ask ourselves will this hurt or be helpful. >>> For >>> the email list I hope this does help and for this old wind bag, I have >>> said >>> my peace and want to get back to learning about games. >>> >>> Thanks Crash >>> God Bliss >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jennifer North" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:18 AM >>> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> You, as a moderator, should know that this point will only bring this >>>> discussion back up even as it's been dealt with effectively by Kevin. >>>> What >>>> do you need now? Vindication? Do I bring this issue to my website and >>>> have >>>> an all-out war? You brought off-list correspondence on-list. It's >>>> well-known that you often act towards members in ways that would >>>> normally >>>> get others in trouble or on moderated status. Is there a >>>> double-standard? >>>> I believe so. Others believe so. That's just my opinion based on past >>>> flare ups you've had with other members (who shall not be mentioned, >>>> nor >>>> their private e-mails fanned out here in a public forum). >>>> >>>> As many people have definite opinions of you as they do of me. Thought >>>> this >>>> thread was dead? On one hand, you say that you refuse to respond, and >>>> now >>>> you're bringing it back up. >>>> >>>> I don't see what's so hard to see about the thread being snide, >>>> facetious, >>>> and sarcastic. To what standard can the members be held accountable to >>>> if >>>> you, as a moderator, do not adhere to the same standard? >>>> >>>> Let it go and move on.. get some therapy.. whatever, but you know, if I >>>> can't even e-mail a moderator privately without you shoveling it all >>>> over >>>> the list publicly, then screw it. I don't know what kind of >>>> medication, >>>> affliction, or condition you either have or need to have, but this is >>>> getting old. >>>> >>>> Drop it already.. if you need to have the last word, then have it.. >>>> then, >>>> let's let it go.. and, please, everyone else not respond to her last >>>> word.. >>>> time to move! on! folks!.. as, Mr. Rivard would say. *grin* >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of brenda green >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:41 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>> >>>> Something to think about, no responses needed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of >>>> this >>>> thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this >>>> list >>>> . >>>> I do have a job and a family. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled to >>>> an >>>> opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification of >>>> whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where it >>>> ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and stated >>>> the >>>> fact for my decision. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The following are messages between James North and myself, some of >>>> which >>>> were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I have >>>> never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do >>>> state >>>> the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. >>>> There's >>>> also a couple of messages from other list members who shall remain >>>> nameless >>>> unless they choose to admit to them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with >>>> pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. >>>> "raceway" >>>> was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to those >>>> who >>>> paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and recalled. >>>> I >>>> don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a year >>>> later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait until >>>> it >>>> is >>>> actually released to take a look at it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't >>>> recall >>>> anyone twisting YOUR arm. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an >>>> entire >>>> year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life doing the >>>> community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply don't. >>>> Your >>>> innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in the >>>> spirit >>>> of >>>> your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even after it's >>>> released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the price to >>>> $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get busy. >>>> Ain't >>>> that right, Brenda? *smile* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: James North >>>> >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brenda, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG >>>> List >>>> will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I >>>> assume >>>> you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back on >>>> moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very >>>> quickly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To: James North >>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do not >>>> intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt with >>>> the >>>> same as any other member of the list. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps >>>> you >>>> need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are >>>> true. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brenda Green >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: James North >>>> >>>> To: 'brenda green' >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: Post & Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brenda, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's see >>>> what >>>> happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming >>>> through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark >>>> about >>>> pre-ordering and then again tonight. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need to >>>> imply >>>> that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is inconsequential. As >>>> soon >>>> as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, anyway. I >>>> have >>>> eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit of me being >>>> on >>>> the list is that people can ask me questions directly. That's why I'm >>>> there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll unsubscribe again. >>>> That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the list does >>>> take >>>> time out of my day. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business of >>>> what >>>> 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to find >>>> any >>>> of >>>> my customer's who have had as much on their plate while trying to >>>> maintain >>>> a >>>> regular job and still work on these games for you guys. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. If >>>> anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then they >>>> will, too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I >>>> didn't >>>> keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also a lot who >>>> depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track record >>>> and >>>> if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only the games >>>> I >>>> have written and released, not to mention inspiring others to follow >>>> suit, >>>> then I really don't know what to tell them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you really >>>> need >>>> to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still >>>> seem >>>> to >>>> have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm put back >>>> on >>>> moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the list, >>>> as >>>> the next post shows. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: brenda green >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me >>>> since >>>> I >>>> have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. Somebody >>>> asked >>>> me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have the rights >>>> to >>>> both games. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point >>>> please. >>>> During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway they >>>> refused >>>> to >>>> take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it this true or >>>> false? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the >>>> answer >>>> and >>>> others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as the >>>> person >>>> that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you and they'd >>>> like >>>> to get Monty, can they change their order since the same company owns >>>> both >>>> games? If there's a price difference, can they pay the difference and >>>> get >>>> Monty instead of Raceway? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brenda Green >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, Brenda. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me except >>>> during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no >>>> pre-orders. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If anyone's >>>> interested, e-mail >>>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two >>>> messages. >>>> If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do so >>>> themselves. >>>> >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> Subject: personal opinion >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. Open >>>> hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone who, >>>> on >>>> a >>>> fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by showing >>>> such >>>> open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, her own >>>> messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot at least >>>> follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Brenda, >>>> >>>> I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good >>>> thing >>>> that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes known >>>> that >>>> he is looking for them. I think of your messages as a public service >>>> message to new comers and I'm glad that you do them as it seems that >>>> one >>>> can >>>> not post any sort of negative message about Mr North, his games or his >>>> previous pre-order record to the list without occurring the wrath of a >>>> moderator, others and Mr North himself no matter how non flaming and >>>> factual >>>> the message may be. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Several of you may be interested in this bit of news. 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