A dead set? Whoa must save this email
Crash ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >9 pm Eastern, 8 central. I hope you can locate a deadset. It would be > interesting to have you join, and you are more than welcome. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > >> >> I'll shoot you off an e-mail. 9:00 pacific standard time? If I can find >> a >> headset that works, I might give it a shot. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Ron Schamerhorn >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:24 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> Hi James >> >> I'd also like to contact you offlist if you wouldn't mind. The chat >> starts at 9:00 or there about on >> WWW.for-the-people.com >> I doubt i'll be showing this evening. Though if yif you would like to >> get >> in touch it's >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> I hope to hear from you >> Ron Schamerhorn >> Audyssey Editor >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN only >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: James from Alchemy >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:53 PM >> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> >> >> What time is the game chat? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Gary Whittington >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:48 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> Ekekekeke >> >> Guess we have a nice topic for game chat tonight. >> >> Some ears going to be ringing tonight. LOl >> >> Crash >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> >>> Send something to Kevin off list as he has asked, voicing your opinion. >>> I >>> hope every list member sends him something, whether it be on the side >>> for, >>> or against, Brenda's behavior. To me, the worst thing she did was to >>> post >>> portions of, or entire, off list Emails to the list, making them no >>> longer >>> private. Unexcusable. I have sent Kevin a private Email, and have also >>> sent Brenda a copy of my thoughts on how she has been handling this >>> situation, and have also made my feelings known as to what should be >>> done >>> and why. Again, I hope that all list members take part in shaping the >>> list >>> in the future. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gary Whittington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> >>>> Got to say that was not fair. With mods reminding us to take things >>>> off >>>> list then posting it as though it was not a private conversation. Now >>>> wlhy >>>> would anybody take it off line to have some thing maybe taken out off >>>> contents. A person would nick pick and reword the email to fit thier >>>> agenda. >>>> I myself find anything new or even justifying in the email to have such >>>> a >>>> thing to be done. IN fact if there was any justifying reason to do >>>> such >>>> an >>>> act no one sould do it. no one asked to see the private messages and >>>> doing >>>> some thing like is not knocking a person character but the one who who >>>> did >>>> the public posting. We all don't like public flogging and thats whatit >>>> looked like and a a ploy for more flogging and ridecue. >>>> >>>> The action and reaction of this is going not help the moderation of >>>> the >>>> list when a mod ask a person to take it of list and they want to take >>>> to >>>> the >>>> email member to talk to them privately, how can one trust a mod to keep >>>> it >>>> private between them. It certaining looks like a mistake, if one gets >>>> caught up in the moment and a retracktion is is the best thing all >>>> around. >>>> When I read the post I felt dirty. So, as others I am sure, not to >>>> mention >>>> James who's trust was broken in thinking that emailing a moderator, >>>> would >>>> break this common sense trust. >>>> >>>> I am only trying to be fair and truthfull here and not wanting to stir >>>> up >>>> anything up. This email group for me gets my most email in my box and >>>> yes, >>>> its a tough enough job to mod it as I see it in my email box. For us >>>> on >>>> the >>>> list we don't see what gets through for this and that, and I am happy >>>> for >>>> it. But do we going to need a Mod for the moderators. >>>> >>>> So, since this email has to about flaming and flogging, I have done so. >>>> Not >>>> on anybody but on a matter that is very important and that is posting >>>> private messages to a public form. The list has rules now and maybe >>>> its >>>> up >>>> to the members now to look at making rules for the Moderators. This >>>> email >>>> may spawn off other threads, well so be it, maybe all this will make >>>> the >>>> list even better in the long run I took some time off before writting >>>> this >>>> email, and that may have been the right choice for me and for those who >>>> may >>>> get caught up in something and later wishes they had not. This list >>>> certainly has people who cares and thats great. WE have a passion for >>>> games >>>> and that is the heart of this email list. We want this email to be as >>>> good >>>> as it can be and once awhile the passion blinds us in what we are >>>> doing, >>>> being good or bad. So, when we all can try to remember, at times to >>>> sit >>>> back before going off and ask ourselves will this hurt or be helpful. >>>> For >>>> the email list I hope this does help and for this old wind bag, I have >>>> said >>>> my peace and want to get back to learning about games. >>>> >>>> Thanks Crash >>>> God Bliss >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jennifer North" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:18 AM >>>> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> You, as a moderator, should know that this point will only bring this >>>>> discussion back up even as it's been dealt with effectively by Kevin. >>>>> What >>>>> do you need now? Vindication? Do I bring this issue to my website >>>>> and >>>>> have >>>>> an all-out war? You brought off-list correspondence on-list. It's >>>>> well-known that you often act towards members in ways that would >>>>> normally >>>>> get others in trouble or on moderated status. Is there a >>>>> double-standard? >>>>> I believe so. Others believe so. That's just my opinion based on >>>>> past >>>>> flare ups you've had with other members (who shall not be mentioned, >>>>> nor >>>>> their private e-mails fanned out here in a public forum). >>>>> >>>>> As many people have definite opinions of you as they do of me. >>>>> Thought >>>>> this >>>>> thread was dead? On one hand, you say that you refuse to respond, and >>>>> now >>>>> you're bringing it back up. >>>>> >>>>> I don't see what's so hard to see about the thread being snide, >>>>> facetious, >>>>> and sarcastic. To what standard can the members be held accountable >>>>> to >>>>> if >>>>> you, as a moderator, do not adhere to the same standard? >>>>> >>>>> Let it go and move on.. get some therapy.. whatever, but you know, if >>>>> I >>>>> can't even e-mail a moderator privately without you shoveling it all >>>>> over >>>>> the list publicly, then screw it. I don't know what kind of >>>>> medication, >>>>> affliction, or condition you either have or need to have, but this is >>>>> getting old. >>>>> >>>>> Drop it already.. if you need to have the last word, then have it.. >>>>> then, >>>>> let's let it go.. and, please, everyone else not respond to her last >>>>> word.. >>>>> time to move! on! folks!.. as, Mr. Rivard would say. *grin* >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of brenda green >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:41 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>>> >>>>> Something to think about, no responses needed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of >>>>> this >>>>> thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this >>>>> list >>>>> . >>>>> I do have a job and a family. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled to >>>>> an >>>>> opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification >>>>> of >>>>> whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where >>>>> it >>>>> ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and >>>>> stated >>>>> the >>>>> fact for my decision. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The following are messages between James North and myself, some of >>>>> which >>>>> were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I >>>>> have >>>>> never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do >>>>> state >>>>> the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. >>>>> There's >>>>> also a couple of messages from other list members who shall remain >>>>> nameless >>>>> unless they choose to admit to them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with >>>>> pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. >>>>> "raceway" >>>>> was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to those >>>>> who >>>>> paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and >>>>> recalled. >>>>> I >>>>> don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a >>>>> year >>>>> later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait until >>>>> it >>>>> is >>>>> actually released to take a look at it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't >>>>> recall >>>>> anyone twisting YOUR arm. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an >>>>> entire >>>>> year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life doing the >>>>> community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply don't. >>>>> Your >>>>> innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in the >>>>> spirit >>>>> of >>>>> your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even after it's >>>>> released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the price >>>>> to >>>>> $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get busy. >>>>> Ain't >>>>> that right, Brenda? *smile* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: James North >>>>> >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brenda, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG >>>>> List >>>>> will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I >>>>> assume >>>>> you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back on >>>>> moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very >>>>> quickly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> To: James North >>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do >>>>> not >>>>> intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt >>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>> same as any other member of the list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps >>>>> you >>>>> need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are >>>>> true. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brenda Green >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ---- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: James North >>>>> >>>>> To: 'brenda green' >>>>> >>>>> Subject: RE: Post & Status >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brenda, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's see >>>>> what >>>>> happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming >>>>> through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark >>>>> about >>>>> pre-ordering and then again tonight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need to >>>>> imply >>>>> that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is inconsequential. >>>>> As >>>>> soon >>>>> as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, anyway. I >>>>> have >>>>> eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit of me >>>>> being >>>>> on >>>>> the list is that people can ask me questions directly. That's why I'm >>>>> there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll unsubscribe again. >>>>> That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the list does >>>>> take >>>>> time out of my day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business >>>>> of >>>>> what >>>>> 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to find >>>>> any >>>>> of >>>>> my customer's who have had as much on their plate while trying to >>>>> maintain >>>>> a >>>>> regular job and still work on these games for you guys. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. If >>>>> anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then >>>>> they >>>>> will, too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I >>>>> didn't >>>>> keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also a lot >>>>> who >>>>> depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track record >>>>> and >>>>> if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only the >>>>> games >>>>> I >>>>> have written and released, not to mention inspiring others to follow >>>>> suit, >>>>> then I really don't know what to tell them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you really >>>>> need >>>>> to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still >>>>> seem >>>>> to >>>>> have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm put >>>>> back >>>>> on >>>>> moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the list, >>>>> as >>>>> the next post shows. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: brenda green >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me >>>>> since >>>>> I >>>>> have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. Somebody >>>>> asked >>>>> me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have the rights >>>>> to >>>>> both games. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point >>>>> please. >>>>> During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway they >>>>> refused >>>>> to >>>>> take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it this true or >>>>> false? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the >>>>> answer >>>>> and >>>>> others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as the >>>>> person >>>>> that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you and they'd >>>>> like >>>>> to get Monty, can they change their order since the same company owns >>>>> both >>>>> games? If there's a price difference, can they pay the difference and >>>>> get >>>>> Monty instead of Raceway? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brenda Green >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, Brenda. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me except >>>>> during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no >>>>> pre-orders. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If >>>>> anyone's >>>>> interested, e-mail >>>>> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two >>>>> messages. >>>>> If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do so >>>>> themselves. >>>>> >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> Subject: personal opinion >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. >>>>> Open >>>>> hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone >>>>> who, >>>>> on >>>>> a >>>>> fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by showing >>>>> such >>>>> open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, her own >>>>> messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot at >>>>> least >>>>> follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Brenda, >>>>> >>>>> I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good >>>>> thing >>>>> that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes known >>>>> that >>>>> he is looking for them. I think of your messages as a public service >>>>> message to new comers and I'm glad that you do them as it seems that >>>>> one >>>>> can >>>>> not post any sort of negative message about Mr North, his games or his >>>>> previous pre-order record to the list without occurring the wrath of a >>>>> moderator, others and Mr North himself no matter how non flaming and >>>>> factual >>>>> the message may be. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Several of you may be interested in this bit of news. 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