Hi, che. Yes, STFC is in the Star Trek universe. as for Paramount i have attempted to contact Paramount a couple of times on the issue, but I don't think my messages got through to the right channels to get any real response. However, I do know GMA has a Trek game, Trek 2000, and I don't know if he has or hasn't made any licensing with paramount. If not GMA certainly hasn't been bothered by Paramount.
Che wrote: > Sorry if I am mistaken here, but is the game you guys are referring to > based in the Star Trek universe? > If so, I am curious how you can afford the licensing fees that > Paramount > pictures requires for such projects, or if there is some kind of loophole > there. Same goes for LucasFilm and any thoughts of a Star Wars game. > Thanks for any info, > Che > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news. > > > > Hi. > > I have been having the same thoughts. > > > > Yohandy wrote: > >> Hey, I have an idea. If you release the game free, you wouldn't have to > >> worry about people hacking it. I mean think about it, is it worth > >> buying a > >> program that costs about 2000 bucks? A developer doesn't really > know how > >> many sales they are going to have. what if they only sell 1 coppy > of the > >> game, and invested that cash for nothing? > >> Another option is to leave the game as is. Honest people won't crack > >> it. If > >> they do that, then they probably would've done it no matter how > >> difficult. > >> Hacking is like a business nowadays. *grin* > >> On the other hand, if you attempt to fix it and it takes another > year for > >> the game to come out, then you wouldn't be making any money now > >> anyways. And > >> would you actually program the entire game from scratch? If that's the > >> case, > >> then you can just start coding a new game all together. Just my > views and > >> oppinions. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:18 PM > >> Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news. > >> > >> > >> > Hmmm. > >> > How long would the report take? > >> > As supposed to finnishing the current game? > >> > We have one big hole but do we have everything else? > >> > So you wish to report, how long will the conversion take. > >> > Say it takes another year. > >> > Do we even have a directx 8 or 9 for c++. > >> > If not I wouldn't recomend you move, at least with this title, your > >> choice > >> > on others. > >> > But report by all means. > >> > I can wait another few months, only a few though. > >> > Either way, a report means we will need to test more. > >> > Which c++ will you use? > >> > At 02:44 p.m. 21/02/2006, you wrote: > >> >>Everything is ready to go except the autopilot for closest starbase > >> >>and > >> >>starship. As well as some miner bugs. > >> >>Other than that it works pretty good. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>shaun everiss wrote: > >> >>> Thats a point tom. > >> >>> Ho finnished is this game. > >> >>> If its like done just release it. > >> >>> If you don't feel comfortable, could you at least release it > in its > >> >>> current port to the private testers? > >> >>> At least until you have the other port ready. > >> >>> The thing is how long will another port take? > >> >>> How long will a full report to c++ take? > >> >>> Including the usagames dll resource kit, engine and games > currently > >> >>> in > >> >>> production, including, stfc and all other titles you are doing? > >> >>> At 12:07 p.m. 21/02/2006, you wrote: > >> >>> >hi > >> >>> > > >> >>> >i'd just release the game now and if people hack it so what, it > >> >>> >gonna > >> >>> happen > >> >>> >that the way of life > >> >>> >as liam says, honest people will buy it, dishonest, won't > >> >>> >To be fair this security issue should have been checked out before > >> >>> >development, if this was an issue with dot net > >> >>> >not flaming just pointing out and commenting > >> >>> >regards, will > >> >>> > > >> >>> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> >From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>> >To: <[email protected]> > >> >>> >Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:37 PM > >> >>> >Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >> Hi, Shaun. > >> >>> >> yes, that is correct. we have to start over from scratch if we > >> >>> switch to > >> >>> >> C++. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> shaun everiss wrote: > >> >>> >>> so this means you need to redo the usagames engine to then? > >> >>> >>> At 08:58 a.m. 21/02/2006, you wrote: > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>>> Hi, Shaun. > >> >>> >>>> I really can't even begin to make a guess at when the updated > >> >>> STFC 1.0 > >> >>> >>>> would be ready. As you might guess some code can be directly > >> >>> copied or > >> >>> >>>> salvaged, and some of it has to be rewritten do to C++ > specific > >> >>> language > >> >>> >>>> requirements. > >> >>> >>>> One thing right now is I don't have the USA Games engine now > >> >>> >>>> that > >> >>> it has > >> >>> >>>> the same security issues as the game so everything is upside > >> >>> down, and > >> >>> >>>> needs to be rethought from the ground up. > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> shaun everiss wrote: > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>>> I understand, gmagames have a system hardware id bassed > system, > >> >>> >>>>> and > >> >>> >>>>> others have simular id based systems. > >> >>> >>>>> Just don't go the way of ms with activation punnishing the > >> >>> >>>>> lagit > >> >>> guys > >> >>> >>>>> thats all. > >> >>> >>>>> Also if you decide to make your data files non hackable, > >> there are > >> >>> >>>>> those of us that contribute sound and like to look at our > >> >>> >>>>> sounds > >> >>> we put > >> >>> >>>>> in places. > >> >>> >>>>> When will the stfc port be ready in the new c++ code? > >> >>> >>>>> At 09:53 p.m. 20/02/2006, you wrote: > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>> Hi, Shaun. > >> >>> >>>>>> While it is true there is no way for a developer to > absolutely > >> >>> secure > >> >>> >>>>>> a > >> >>> >>>>>> product from theft, cracks, and piracy there are ways to > >> make it > >> >>> >>>>>> harder > >> >>> >>>>>> and minimize the chances. > >> >>> >>>>>> If you think of it this way you can't completely secure your > >> >>> home from > >> >>> >>>>>> burglers, but you will do whatever is necessary to make it > >> >>> >>>>>> harder. > >> >>> >>>>>> Before you leave you check the windows to make sure they are > >> >>> down and > >> >>> >>>>>> locked, lock the doors, and if you have one arm the security > >> >>> >>>>>> panel. > >> >>> >>>>>> Noone I know of in a high crime neighborhood leaves for work > >> >>> with the > >> >>> >>>>>> back door unlocked, an open window for people to crawl > in to, > >> >>> or owns > >> >>> >>>>>> a > >> >>> >>>>>> security panel and decides to leave it off. They would at > >> least > >> >>> >>>>>> do > >> >>> >>>>>> those > >> >>> >>>>>> security measures to make sure their home was safer than it > >> would > >> >>> >>>>>> otherwise have been. > >> >>> >>>>>> As for piracy in this comunity sad to say, but I recently > >> found > >> >>> >>>>>> out > >> >>> >>>>>> there were an alarming number of accessible gamers pirating > >> GMA's > >> >>> >>>>>> Shades > >> >>> >>>>>> of Doom 1.0. Even though there were plenty of honest gamers > >> >>> like me > >> >>> >>>>>> who > >> >>> >>>>>> baught their copies GMA and my company USA Games must > >> protect our > >> >>> >>>>>> games > >> >>> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> >from those less than honest people as best we can. > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>> shaun everiss wrote: > >> >>> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>> Well I suppose you know what you are doing. > >> >>> >>>>>>> Its however good to note that nothing is secure, as you > >> >>> >>>>>>> can't > >> >>> secure > >> >>> >>>>>>> for everything and or anything. > >> >>> >>>>>>> I would never hack a program though. > >> >>> >>>>>>> I am not like that. > >> >>> >>>>>>> At 08:55 p.m. 20/02/2006, you wrote: > >> >>> >>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>> Hi, Matt. > >> >>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. I only wish I had taken more time to research > >> security > >> >>> >>>>>>>> before I > >> >>> >>>>>>>> began writing STFC. If I had known how security week the > >> final > >> >>> >>>>>>>> product > >> >>> >>>>>>>> would be I would have of course done things much > different. > >> >>> As it > >> >>> >>>>>>>> stands > >> >>> >>>>>>>> I can not release the game as is, as any reasonably > >> >>> >>>>>>>> compatent > >> >>> hacker > >> >>> >>>>>>>> could crack the game in a matter of minutes which is not > >> >>> exceptable. > >> >>> >>>>>>>> However, on the bright side of this I am finding out some > >> good > >> >>> >>>>>>>> alternatives to doing things and if I choose that > route USA > >> >>> Games > >> >>> >>>>>>>> not > >> >>> >>>>>>>> only will be more secure, but there are some extra bonuses > >> >>> involved. > >> >>> >>>>>>>> I am currently strongly thinking of converting all > projects > >> >>> to C++. > >> >>> >>>>>>>> Not > >> >>> >>>>>>>> only would I have a better security for the game there is > >> >>> >>>>>>>> better > >> >>> >>>>>>>> documentation for writing game scripting engines, better > >> >>> support for > >> >>> >>>>>>>> SAPI tts engines, etc.... So this might have a bright > >> side to > >> >>> >>>>>>>> it. > >> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>> matt wrote: > >> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> That is bad news. I must commend you though for being a > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> game > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> creator who > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> comes out and says when something is going wrong. I > do not > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> mean > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> anything bad > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> about anyone else just saying that is a cool thing to > say. > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> I > >> >>> wish > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> you the > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> best of luck in fixing the problem. Later, Matt > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:25 PM > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: audyssey: USA Games news. > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> USA Games News > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> 2/20/2006 > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> STFC Release in Doubt > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings gamers, > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> We at USA Games have some good and bad news for our > fans > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> of > >> >>> STFC. > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> The > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> good news the game is practically complete and is pretty > >> >>> reliable. > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> The > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> bad news is that recently we have discovered some > security > >> >>> issues > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> with > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> the product which is of grave concern to me > >> inparticular. As > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> a > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> result > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> this security issue could set development back for > months, > >> >>> and at > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> the > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> least a few weeks. > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the nature of the issue forces USA > Games to > >> >>> choose > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> between two options. the first option is to pay a > quite a > >> >>> sum of > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> money > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> to purchase licenses for pro grade security > >> applications. The > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> second > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> option USA Games rewrites STFC in a language in > which this > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> security hole > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> is not a factor. As USA Games does not currently > have the > >> >>> funds > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> for the > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> former choice it will likely come down to the second > >> choice. > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> However, > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> after just completing the game I am not in any mood to > >> >>> start over > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> and > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> port the current game to something new. > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> As a result of this security discovery USA Games is > >> haulting > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> production > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> on all of our titles until a suitable security can be > >> >>> devised. It > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> is > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> possible some projects may have to be rewritten from > >> >>> scratch, or > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> at the > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> very least wait until USA Games has enough funds to > >> >>> complete them > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> using > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> pro grade security software. > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope that in the future USA Games will be able to > bring > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> some > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> truly > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> awesome titles to you all, but for the time being we > >> will be > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> returning > >> >>> >>>>>>>>>> to research and experiment. 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