Thanks for clearing that up. He only has half an hour and has to go pretty fast. That doesn't give much time to explain things. Also he probably assumes that people have been watching for a long time and he explained that in 1990 so there's no need to do it again.
Come to think of a couple of things, the bisket looked somewhat like a cookie. What we in the U S call a cookie is a bisket to the bloody brits. Is that where the name comes from? Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions. > Max, it wasn't a router he was using although there are router bits for > cutting biscuit slots, he was using a specific tool called a biscuit > joiner > or also called a plate joiner. > > You purchase the biscuits which are actually elongated ovals made of dry > and > compressed beach wood. They swell when glue is applied. They come in about > four sizes. > > The biscuit does fit or should fit pretty well half way into the slot on > one > side how ever it might have looked to you. As for strength, dowels and > biscuits are not primarily for strengthening although they do that. The > primary function is to align the joint in most applications. Dowels suffer > from the direction of the grain which is usually across the grain of the > mating surfaces and glue more firmly attaches in the long direction of the > grain. The other main disadvantage of dowels is that accuracy is > absolutely > critical, not only must the holes align absolutely directly but they must > be > absolutely in line. Biscuit joinery allows for a little error. > > The plate joiner has a carbide tipped blade which is on a spring loaded > travel. There is a fence, these vary from machine to machine but you can > set > the fence a particular distance from the slot through which the blade will > protrude and will be parallel to the slot. Most will allow the fence to be > tilted in both directions to allow you to cut slots in mitered assemblies > and other angled fixation of differing angles. You can index off the fence > or index off the bottom flat surface of the joiner. > > You then set the fence on the face of a board and bring the face with the > slot tight against the edge of the board holding it there using a handle > built for that purpose then turn on the machine and using the other hand > you > force the cutter through the slot and into the edge against the springs > which plunges the blade into the edge of the board. Release so it runs > back > out with the spring assist then release the trigger so it shuts off. > > When I built my work bench I made up a frame rather like the shape of > angle > iron using three quarters plywood one edge to the face of the other and > joined those with biscuits. I then mitered the corners and joined them > with > biscuits and clamped them up square. I might have used screws but I never > would have got the corners strong that way and doweling the edges of > plywood > isn't all that satisfactory or probably reliable. > > when the biscuits get wet with glue not only does the glue bond but they > swell and actually if you don't work fairly quickly they can be very > difficult to set. This can be a disat\dvantage, Norm has mentioned on a > couple of shows that biscuits set too close to the surface can cause > slight > dimpling to telegraph through the surface as the glue ages and I suppose > the > wood responds to changes in environmental moisture. On a very smooth > finish > this can be visible. So far I haven't noticed this. > > There is a new unit out there, called a domino joiner I believe, cuts a > more > rectangular hole and uses rectangular biscuits and an oscilating cutting > action. These work more like floating mortise & tennon joints. I am not > otherwise sure of the advantages, if they index easily enough I suppose > you > could use them to join rails & styles without cutting proper mortise & > tenon > joints. The biscuit joiners are plenty expensive but these domino joiners > are really a lot more costly. > > Generally the correct term is Jointer. The machine is also sometimes > called > a planer but more usually that refers to a device for thicknessing the > face > of wood or for the hand held planers more usually with a 3 inch wide > cutter > head intended primarily for removing stock like the edge of a door. Joiner > is sometimes used to refer to a jointer and I hear it more commonly used > these days but the manufacturers still seem to refer to them as jointers. > > Hope this helps clear things up for you. > > > > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype DaleLeavens > Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Blind Handyman" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:36 PM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions. > > >>I have watched only one episode of the Yankee workshop and already I have >> questions. >> >> He did a bisket joint. They didn't show him making the bisket. Do you >> buy >> them pre made? It was elliptical in shape which seems hard to make. He >> made the cutout with a plunge router which looked like he was making a >> basically rectangular shaped cutout. When he dropped the bisket into the >> cutout it didn't fit at all tight. Also it went in more than half the >> width >> of the bisket. There was just a little peaking out. All in all this >> doesn't seem like a very strong joint. In an infomercial I saw someone >> making a dowel joint. It seems to me to be a much stronger joint. How >> does >> a bisket joint compare to a dowel joint. Also I'm not sure but I think >> he >> was using some kind of guide to keep the router in the center of the edge >> of >> the board. If there is such a thing, what is it called? >> >> Also a pronunciation question. Dale and I had a conversation the other >> night on FTP about a jointer. The yankee used one on the show but he >> pronounced it joiner. Which is correct? Does it depend on where you >> come >> from? >> >> Regards. >> >> Max. 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