Lenny, nothing to laugh about -- I've used a Wet/Dry vacuum on occasion myself. And you are quite correct in your description as how to best use a plunger. Too often handy men and, yes, even handy girls think they can force a clog through the drain pipes when the best tactic is to loosen up the clog so the water can carry bits of it away down the drain. ---------------- Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Ethics are so annoying. I avoid them on principle." - Darby Conley
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