It has to be a bit hotter and the solder doesn't flow as easily as the leaded 
solder.  The hotter it gets the more spattering goes on and I don't like that.  
I can still sweat fittings together and a nice wet rag with cold water on it 
erases a lot of ugly stuff, but I always enjoyed the solder with led in it 
more.  I know something had to go as they found more and more problems with led 
but I had that system worked out real well and the new solders take some 
playing to get them going right.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dale Leavens 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] I hate plumbing!


  What's wrong with lead free solder?

  I have never noticed anything except maybe the pipe wants to be just a little 
hotter but not much in it as far as I have noticed.

  Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Skype DaleLeavens
  Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David W Wood 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] I hate plumbing!

  Hi Bob:

  I enjoy plumbing also.

  as the name is derived from the latin word for Lead (plumbum) I find it odd 
  that they have removed lead from solder!

  i find the lead-free solder difficult to use, so where possible use either 
  compression or push fittings.

  David

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Bob Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: <[email protected]>
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] I hate plumbing!

  > Always the odd ball, I like plumbing. It has gotten a bit harder to 
  > solder since they have done away with led in the solder but I can still 
  > sweat a pipe together.
  >
  > For those that don't like risking a fire in the house, they now make a 
  > solderless compound for copper pipes. It is much like the C A form of 
  > epoxy I use to build golf clubs with. It comes in a can and you brush it 
  > on like the stuff used with PVC. Great idea for places where a torch is 
  > dangerous. I'll find the link and send it along later.
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: David Ferrin
  > To: [email protected]
  > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:45 PM
  > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] I hate plumbing!
  >
  >
  > The question is who if anybody likes plumbing actually. Oh the joys of
  > owning a home.
  > David Ferrin
  > www.jaws-users.com
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Dan Rossi
  > To: [email protected]
  > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:39 PM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] I hate plumbing!
  >
  > This weekend was spent in battle with the pipes. The war was waged on two
  > fronts, the kitchen faucet, and an unused toilet in the basement.
  >
  > the faucet had the upper hand for a while, but it now lays in many pieces
  > at the bottom of my trash. Score one for the blind guy!
  >
  > This was an old faucet with three separate mountings, one each for the 
  > two
  > taps, and one for the faucet itself. I spent a lot of time under the sink
  > with the mother of all basin wrenches trying to get the nuts off the taps
  > to no avail. I tried taking them out from above, but there was no way to
  > grab onto the little collars, which also happened to be puttied to the
  > sink surface. Much to Teresa's dismay, I, screaming that I would exact my
  > vengeance on the faucet, ran to the basement and retrieved my Dremel.
  > Several broken cutting disks later, after much prying, cursing and
  > snarling, the taps and faucet were removed from the sink and the sink
  > surface was not marred from the Dremel.
  >
  > Of course, after I slid the new faucet in place, the flex tubes attached
  > to the faucet were not long enough to reach the shut-offs under the sink.
  > That meant, not surprisingly, another trip to the store, but that had to
  > wait until Sunday.
  >
  > Sunday morning I took a closer look at the toilet in the basement. This
  > is a cruddy old toilet stuck in the corner of the basement with a plywood
  > wall on none side and a partial plywood door. These are very common in
  > Pittsburgh. The guts of the tank were completely rusted and broken and
  > since the shut-off to the toilet didn't actually shut the water off, 
  > there
  > had been a paint can wedged into the tank to keep the fill valve closed.
  > I had upgraded the paint can to a 20 pound dumbell but figured I should
  > probably fix the shut-off and take care of the tank guts while I was at
  > it.
  >
  > Off to the store. We found some flexible tubes to extend the faucet lines
  > and I installed them as soon as we got home. Had a lot of trouble getting
  > the sprayer attachment threaded onto the under-side of the faucet, but
  > Teresa eventually got her hands in there and got it tightened down. New
  > faucet, with a single handle, works fine, of course, the brand new, $108
  > faucet has an itty bitty drip.
  >
  > Back down to the basement to lead the attack on the toilet.
  >
  > Turns out that the water connection to the tank was pretty clugy. Check
  > this out, step by step:
  >
  > Long Copper pipe literally hangs down from the ceiling joists,
  > threaded fitting sweated onto end of Copper pipe,
  > shut-off screwed onto fitting,
  > short, threaded, black iron pipe screwed into shut-off,
  > elbow screwed into black iron,
  > horizontal copper sweated into elbow,
  > elbow sweated into other end of horizontal Copper,
  > Some kind of fitting, possibly compression, bodged onto elbow,
  > finally into tank.
  >
  > I managed to get the shut-off replaced with a ball valve without too much
  > trouble. I managed to get the guts of the tank changed with a lot of
  > work, having to cut and tare out some of the old parts. I could not get
  > the funky assembly described above to go back into the new tank 
  > connection
  > without leaking rather impressively. So, we are at a draw at the moment,
  > but I intend on replacing most of that assembly with a flexible hose.
  >
  > Nearly panicked when in an attempt to identify what branch of my house
  > plumbing has a slow leak, I turned off a shut-off and it proceeded to 
  > gush
  > water like a hose. I got the main valve for the house shut and messed
  > around with the shut-off for a while and cranked it open again and it
  > seems to be happy for the time being. I'm starting to contemplate
  > replacing all my shut-offs with ball valves. Replacing everything with
  > PEX actually sounds very good at the moment, although I think Teresa 
  > might
  > hang me with the PEX if I attempt a job like that. Certainly not before
  > the deck railings are done.
  >
  > I hate plumbing!
  >
  > -- 
  > Blue skies.
  > Dan Rossi
  > Carnegie Mellon University.
  > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > Tel: (412) 268-9081
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