Bob,

Are you using a double flair male end on copper water pipe?
How in the world do you seat it?
are you using those male and female fittings the screw together with the
little farrel thingy that if you are real lucky collapses and seals  the
joint?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors


No I've used them since my days in the automotive field.  I'm pretty sure if
you can put a fitting in place that seals against brake fluid pressure you'd
have nothing to worry about with 90 or so pounds of water pressure.  

However, the average want to be handy person that doesn't even own a wrench
is going to look at working 2 wrenches together as very challenging compared
to "Just slide the 2 ends together."  Markets are driven by what sells, not
what works better.  And far be it from most sales people to tell you which
is better.  In this case far be it from most sales people to even know if
they work because most don't do the type of work they are selling parts to
fix...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alan & Terrie Robbins 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:22 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors


  Bob,

  That is interesting. I never found where compression fittings were all
that
  difficult to work with, did you?

  Al
  -----Original Message-----
  From: [email protected]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:38 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors

  I'm a big fan of compression fittings but they told me at Lowes and Home
  depot that they are selling less of them due to the new shark bites.
Because
  they are tried and trusted I much prefer the compressions but everyone
seems
  to want something that is easier to work with.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dale Leavens
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors

  They are more expensive but if you want to be really secure I'd go with
  compression fittings. You can remove them should you need to and you can
  always buy replacement ferrules for pennies if damaged when removing or
  otherwise handling the fittings. They are fairly expensive but usually you
  don't use many. These days you can usually even buy fittings like shut-off
  valves and stop cocks which attach by compression fitting. They are very
  secure and really very forgiving. I haven't used the 'T' or elbow fittings
  but now I really like the stop cocks.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tom Hodges
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors

  Bob,

  Thank you so much for the information. I will research this on the
  Internet
  to find out if they have other fittings, such as T's, elbows, etc. This
  could sure save me a lot of time and expense (not to mention headache) if
  they work well.

  Tom

  _____

  From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:07 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors

  I've used both the Shark Bights and the Gator bight or Gator grip, can't
  remember the right name for that one. One is from Lowes and the other from
  Home Depot.

  You do have to support them and I had the hardest time believing they
  would
  actually seal. But they do, and work great.

  All you do is take 2 ends of copper you want to join, clean the burs off,
  and slide them together. If you remember those Chinese handcuffs we all
  had
  as kids? Your fingers went in really easy but the harder you pulled to get
  them apart the more it bit into your fingers.

  Just slide the piece on 1 of the ends and then put the piece over the
  other
  pipe. Pull the pipes towards each other and your done. It takes a special
  tool to get them back apart. The tools come in a pack of 3 for about 2
  dollars so you know it isn't much. It's a plastic piece cut to fit in the
  slot on the Shark Bight and you just pull it towards the pipe and it opens
  back up. Don't know if you can reuse it after taking it back apart. I was
  a
  chicken once it came back apart and just put on a new one. I can tell you
  it
  takes no special skills and compared to running a torch inside a wall,
  there
  is a lot less to worry about too.

  Both stores have them in the plumbing area and I'm not remembering the
  price
  right now. Seems to me it was between 3 and 4 dollars. Well worth it if
  you
  aren't comfortable soldering.

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