Well since it was my car, I guess I was the one to make that decision. ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Rizzino To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] A lesson on compression fittings
Using compression unions on a brake line is very dangerous. You are playing with peoples lives when you use a compression union on a brake line. Art ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Kennedy To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] A lesson on compression fittings I've used them on trans lines many times. Especially when some idiot thinks he was supposed to do push ups on the end of a wrench to make the line tight. Of course I've spliced transmission lines with neoprene hose too and it worked fine. But when you use compression unions on a brake line and it doesn't leak you know you either did something right or got lucky... ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Stansifer To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] A lesson on compression fittings I used one of those puppies on a cracked trans cooling line running from the trans cooler to the high pressure side. I installed one of those compression fitting things strictly as an emergency get us home repair that lasted for at least the two years the car's owner and I were dating. Word to the wise... Never take a Pontiac trans AM off road to look for a camp site. I had a tubing cutter in my run-box and we found a good Samaritan to take me into the nearest town for peaces. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] A lesson on compression fittings On water pipe all you need to do is cut the end smooth and make sure there are no burs. Take a piece of emery cloth and polish the pipe slightly to make sure it's clean. Then slide the nut and compression ferrule on the pipe. The pipe will then fit inside the elbow or T or shut off and bottom out. Once it bottoms out, put on your wrench or vice grip or what ever you want to hold the thing still. Then sliding the nut toward the threads will move the ferrule into place as well. I like to use some pipe dope on the threads and get the threads started by hand. All that is left once it is hand tight is to hold the fitting and tighten the nut. It doesn't take lots of effort or you run the risk of collapsing the pipe. The only thing to be real sure of is that the end of the pipe fits inside the fitting or you will collapse or crush the end and it won't seal. I suspect this is what causes those that complain about compression fittings to complain. When done right, it will compress the pipe slightly under the ferrule leaving the quarter inch or so of the end the same size it was when you started. I've only used one of the Shark Bights and I feel a lot more secure using a compression fitting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Stansifer To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors Bob, Are you using a double flair male end on copper water pipe? How in the world do you seat it? are you using those male and female fittings the screw together with the little farrel thingy that if you are real lucky collapses and seals the joint? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors No I've used them since my days in the automotive field. I'm pretty sure if you can put a fitting in place that seals against brake fluid pressure you'd have nothing to worry about with 90 or so pounds of water pressure. However, the average want to be handy person that doesn't even own a wrench is going to look at working 2 wrenches together as very challenging compared to "Just slide the 2 ends together." Markets are driven by what sells, not what works better. And far be it from most sales people to tell you which is better. In this case far be it from most sales people to even know if they work because most don't do the type of work they are selling parts to fix... ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan & Terrie Robbins To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:22 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors Bob, That is interesting. I never found where compression fittings were all that difficult to work with, did you? Al -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Kennedy Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors I'm a big fan of compression fittings but they told me at Lowes and Home depot that they are selling less of them due to the new shark bites. Because they are tried and trusted I much prefer the compressions but everyone seems to want something that is easier to work with. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Leavens To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors They are more expensive but if you want to be really secure I'd go with compression fittings. You can remove them should you need to and you can always buy replacement ferrules for pennies if damaged when removing or otherwise handling the fittings. They are fairly expensive but usually you don't use many. These days you can usually even buy fittings like shut-off valves and stop cocks which attach by compression fitting. They are very secure and really very forgiving. I haven't used the 'T' or elbow fittings but now I really like the stop cocks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hodges To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors Bob, Thank you so much for the information. I will research this on the Internet to find out if they have other fittings, such as T's, elbows, etc. This could sure save me a lot of time and expense (not to mention headache) if they work well. Tom _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Shark Bights copper connectors I've used both the Shark Bights and the Gator bight or Gator grip, can't remember the right name for that one. One is from Lowes and the other from Home Depot. You do have to support them and I had the hardest time believing they would actually seal. But they do, and work great. All you do is take 2 ends of copper you want to join, clean the burs off, and slide them together. If you remember those Chinese handcuffs we all had as kids? Your fingers went in really easy but the harder you pulled to get them apart the more it bit into your fingers. Just slide the piece on 1 of the ends and then put the piece over the other pipe. Pull the pipes towards each other and your done. It takes a special tool to get them back apart. The tools come in a pack of 3 for about 2 dollars so you know it isn't much. It's a plastic piece cut to fit in the slot on the Shark Bight and you just pull it towards the pipe and it opens back up. Don't know if you can reuse it after taking it back apart. I was a chicken once it came back apart and just put on a new one. I can tell you it takes no special skills and compared to running a torch inside a wall, there is a lot less to worry about too. Both stores have them in the plumbing area and I'm not remembering the price right now. Seems to me it was between 3 and 4 dollars. Well worth it if you aren't comfortable soldering. 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