thanks Cliff for bringing out the point   about blockages . It has 
been my  belief since we  long ago agreed to install this small water 
saver  that  the outdoor pipe which runs 42 or 43 feet  does not 
always stay open  with this water saver.  end of rant. Lee

On Sun, Oct 
25, 
2009 at 
02:30:11PM -0400, 
clifford wrote:
> Dear Dale:
>     I had a problem with the arm dropping too low with a tank on which I had 
> changed out the original handle and arm.  I discovered that the adjustment 
> for the arm was related to the position you have the arm in, when you tighten 
> down the nut to hold it in place.  In my case, the thread was a left hand 
> thread and it took me a minute to figure out what was going on with the unit.
>     When changing out the flapper on the new model commodes, I make sure and 
> get one without the float, as that is designed in many to cut down on water 
> usage, and since we do not have a shortage of water, since our drought 
> lifted, I prefer the full flush, as that prevents blockages much better.
>     
>                 Yours Truly,
> 
>                 Clifford Wilson
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Dale Leavens 
> To: [email protected] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Adventures in toiletry
> 
> 
>   
> Just that I had a similar problem with one of the toilets here a couple of 
> weeks ago. I couldn't really see anything wrong with the flapper but since I 
> had to change out the valve assembly anyway and the flapper was part of that 
> kit I changed the flapper too and the trickle quit. The original flapper was 
> a little stiff and there seemed to be some encrustment on it which didn't 
> really scrape off so I am guessing it just wasn't forming to the seat as well 
> as the new and now softer flapper.
> 
> I ran into another issue though which I can't explain, the lever arm doesn't 
> seem to want to stop descending so it interferes with the fall float. I took 
> a really stiff piece of wire and bent it to 90 degrees and pushed one end of 
> it into the top of the foam insulation of the tank so the other sticks out 
> horizontally and restrains the lever arm from dropping below about the 
> horizontal. seems to be working.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: [email protected] 
> To: [email protected] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Adventures in toiletry
> 
> Dale, I de-slimed the thing as best I could, but we have hard water, and the 
> flapper I'm having trouble with is at least four and a half yhears old, so 
> it's probably time for a new one.
> 
> Bill Stephan 
> Kansas Citty MO 
> Email: [email protected] 
> Phone: (816)803-2469
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Leavens <[email protected]>
> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:56 pm
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Adventures in toiletry
> > Try adjusting the chain so it pulls the flapper up a little 
> > higher. This causes water to tip out of the flapper so it takes a 
> > little longer to settle down onto the seat. 
> > 
> > You might try wiping around the surface of the flapper seat with a 
> > rag too. Sometimes it collects slime and such which interferes 
> > with a good seal. Similarly, old rubber on those flappers 
> > sometimes gets hard or stiff or otherwise deforms and that can 
> > interfere with the seal. 
> > 
> > Hope this helps. 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: [email protected] 
> > To: [email protected] 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 9:27 PM 
> > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Adventures in toiletry 
> > 
> > 
> > Well folks, as the subject line indicates I've been trying to 
> > fix a leaking or running toilet today. So far the lads at the 
> > hardware store, you know, the one that's a mile from my house on 
> > foot and a mile bac, have sold me two flappers, one which I broke 
> > because the ears wouldn't fit my toilet, and one that fits so 
> > poorly the toilet refills every 30 seconds or so. 
> > I'm usually pretty easy to get along with when it comes to 
> > people making mistakes, but I was a little unhappy, so called the 
> > manager of the place after the second flapper didn't work. I was 
> > explaining my unhappiness to her, and she said she was truly sorry 
> > but that the place had just been held up at gunpoint and they were 
> > dealing with the police and could I come in tomorrow. So what 
> > could I say. 
> > 
> > Anyway, then I started switching flappers and have two out of 
> > three toilets working, however, when I press the flush handle, the 
> > flapper wants to seat itself before the tank empties. Can some of 
> > you folks give me some pointers? Do I need to put some kind of 
> > small floats on the chains close to the flappers? The old one that 
> > I replaced did have a chunk of cork or something similar on the 
> > chain, but the replacement flappers don't have anything like that 
> > on the chains that came with them. The flappers are hollow rubber 
> > if that helps the diagnosis. 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. 
> > 
> > Bill Stephan 
> > Kansas Citty MO 
> > Email: [email protected] 
> > Phone: (816)803-2469 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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