I was thinking of a solenoid coil used in washing machine to turn the water on 
and off.  They are cheap.  I as also thinking that the voltage spike might two 
or three thousand volts.  The voltage spike occurs when the voltage supply is 
turned on or off, but no spike when the coil has power or is off, only when 
change happens is their a voltage spike.
A friend of mine, when I was a teenager had a book with an aluminum foil cover. 
 When you opened the book or cclosed the book, you got a little bite.

John
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Fowle 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy!


    
  John's ideas are interesting, that solenoid coil would have to have a lot of
  turns on it, I'm not sure dogs responde to even moderate electric shocks
  as much as humans do, I think they need say 600 volts or so to make them take
  notice.

  I like the meat tray and pans idea except it'll wak up everyone in
  the house too.

  Maybe just a wireless baby monitor placed near the plate would give you enough
  sound to start yelling at him. 

  What you don't want is false positives, if the thing goes off when it 
shouldn't
  the dog will quickly learn to ignore it because he doesn't know what it means.

  Tom Fowle



  

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