Thanks Michael, the link didn't work, but it looks like a useful site.

Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: [email protected] 
Phone: (816)803-2469


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael baldwin <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:36 am
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Blocking the wind.
> check out this publication, it should help you out. 
> 
> http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/reports/rr-0401- 
> conditioned-crawl-s 
> pace-construction-performance-and-codes/view 
> 
> 
> Michael 
> 
> 
>  _____  
> 
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Max Robinson 
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:37 PM 
> To: [email protected] 
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blocking the wind. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Both my shop and Sue's teddybear cottage are sitting on blocks 
> with the 
> bottom of the siding about 12 inches above ground. We have thought 
> about 
> installing 1 by 12 treated boards around them to keep the cold 
> wind from 
> infiltrating underneath and taking away heat. One reservation I 
> have is 
> trapping ground moisture under the buildings. This would be a 
> permanent 
> year round installation. What are the thoughts of all you handy 
> men and 
> women? 
> 
> Regards. 
> 
> Max. K 4 O D S. 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lee A. Stone" <se...@mailsent. 
> <mailto:sedac%40mailsent.net> net> 
> To: <blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:52 PM 
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blocking the wind. 
> 
> > 7 
> > we still pak snow on theNorth and West side of the house after the 
> > first few snow falls. does great for stopping some drafts. and for 
> > the bilco doors we cover them with plastic and pile the shnow on top 
> > of that. Lee 
> > 
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 07:30:40PM -0600, William Stephan 
> > wrote: 
> >> Yes Dale, very helpful. The guy at the lumber yard I talked to 
> was 
> >> trying 
> >> to sell me plastic sheeting like you might cover a window with, 
> so I'm 
> >> going 
> >> to have to do some more research into what we have available 
> here. 
> >> Thanks 
> >> again. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> yahoogroups.com 
> >> [mailto:blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> yahoogroups.com] 
> >> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens 
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 17:10 
> >> To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> yahoogroups.com 
> >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blocking the wind. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The Polystyrene we buy usually comes in 2 by 8 sheets with 
> rebate like 
> >> edges 
> >> so that they can overlap. It comes in various thicknesses, 
> usually inch 
> >> and 
> >> a half or two inches. You can cut it with a hand saw or even 
> score it 
> >> deeply 
> >> then snap it but that isn't as nice an edge. for some reason 
> they usually 
> >> colour it blue to distinguish it from the open cell Styrofoam, 
> this stuff 
> 
> >> is 
> >> a higher insulation value. There is special sealing tape, it is 
> a lot 
> >> like 
> >> the wide packing tape you are probably familiar with, when I 
> bought it it 
> >> was red I don't know if that is significant. 
> >> 
> >> The point is to insulate but also to keep warm air, 
> particularly when you 
> >> have paid to heat it inside. 
> >> 
> >> Now this stuff can be flammable and is best covered if there is any 
> >> significant risk of exposure to open flame. It can also be 
> helpful for 
> >> holding it into place. You can run screws through something 
> like particle 
> >> board and the foam into structure beyond it. I have used wide 
> washers, a 
> >> couple of inches to hold the heads of screws to hold it into 
> place. A 
> >> little 
> >> glue like liquid nails or even some calking on the structure 
> then press 
> >> the 
> >> foam into it should also work well in your application. 
> >> 
> >> Hope this helps. 
> >> 
> >> If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: William Stephan 
> >> To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >> yahoogroups.com 
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:14 PM 
> >> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Blocking the wind. 
> >> 
> >> Dale: all good points really. The only reason I was thinking 
> about a 
> >> temporary set up is that occasionally, the varmint-killing cat 
> leaves us 
> >> a 
> >> little something under the porch until the possums get it. But, 
> of 
> >> course, 
> >> if the foundation were blocked he wouldn't be doing that in any 
> case. The 
> >> roof itself, according to the manufacturer, is pretty well 
> insolated. 
> >> It's 
> >> about five or six inches thick. If the snow ever meltsz, I'll 
> go see what 
> >> the lumber yard has in terms of 
> >> 
> >> Extruded Polystyrene. Thanks for the eye-opener. 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >> yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ 
> >> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] 
> >> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens 
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 21:14 
> >> To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >> yahoogroups.com 
> >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blocking the wind. 
> >> 
> >> Is there any good reason why you wouldn't want to block air 
> infiltration 
> >> in 
> >> the summer as well? 
> >> 
> >> It would be my inclination to wrap the inside of what ever 
> skirting you 
> >> have 
> >> around the deck foundation with something like extruded 
> polystyrene 
> >> sheets 
> >> and seal them together with the tape sold for that purpose. I 
> would look 
> >> for 
> >> ways of sealing it tightly at the top and bottom, keep any air 
> from 
> >> entering 
> >> or leaving except between the room and under the floor. Unless 
> the dogs 
> >> are 
> >> piddling through the deck or for some other reason you need to 
> air the 
> >> area 
> >> to keep stink down there isn't any good reason to loose heated 
> or cooled 
> >> air 
> >> to the good outdoors and, it is expensive as well. 
> >> 
> >> I would consider insulating under the roof as well if there is 
> a 
> >> convenient 
> >> and practical way to do so. You would probably find your heater 
> raised 
> >> the 
> >> temperature 50 or 60 degrees, you might even find you want to 
> turn it off 
> >> quite a bit. 
> >> 
> >> If you feel the need to circulate air through the structure you 
> can 
> >> always 
> >> open the windows and in that way choose when and how much cold 
> you 
> >> require. 
> >> 
> >> If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: William Stephan 
> >> To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >> yahoogroups.com 
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:40 PM 
> >> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Blocking the wind. 
> >> 
> >> All: 
> >> 
> >> We have a sort of three-season room on the north side of our 
> house. It 
> >> faces off into a yard surrounded by privacy fences and a couple 
> garages.>> The room is sort of unique. It started life as just an 
> open deck. We had 
> >> a 
> >> pre-fabricated aluminum room added shortly after we took up 
> residence 
> >> here. 
> >> This room is all aluminum and glass with two aluminum doors and 
> many 
> >> sliding 
> >> windows. During winter we use this room as a sort of mud room, 
> and it's 
> >> where we groom our dogs as well. Because of that, when it was 
> >> constructed, 
> >> the deck floor was taken up, and an aluminum screen was put in 
> place, and 
> >> the deck flooring was then replaced on top of this screen. Our 
> idea was 
> >> that snow from boots and shovels and dogs, and spillage from 
> our fountain 
> >> etc. would just drain through the cracks between the decking, 
> an bugs 
> >> couldn't come through either and that part's worked well for us. 
> >> 
> >> We've been having snow here, more snow than anybody's seen in 
> twenty or 
> >> thirty years. It blows here too, and there's quite a bit of 
> snow piled 
> >> and 
> >> drifted around this three season room. To keep it more or less 
> useable, 
> >> we 
> >> have one of those Sun Twin 5,000 BTU heaters there, and 
> typically, it 
> >> keeps 
> >> the temperature between 20 an 25 degrees above the outdoor 
> temperature.>> This year though, it's been keeping the room about 
> 30 or 35 degrees above 
> >> the outside temperature. I imagine a lot of this is because of 
> the snow 
> >> around the foundation. There are several gaps that allow air to 
> circulate>> pretty freely under thestructure. 
> >> 
> >> So, it might be a good idea to block these gaps, though 
> probably only 
> >> during 
> >> the Winter months. 
> >> 
> >> Does anyone know if there might be say, bladders, that I could 
> fill with 
> >> a 
> >> compresser that would form themselves in a way so as to fill 
> gaps ofa few 
> >> incheshere or ther, and if so, what is the correct term for them? 
> >> 
> >> Thanks in advance for any input on this. 
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