How right you are. I believe that most accidents are not accidents but pure carelessness. And the majority of the table saw accidents the saw stop will not even help. A friend of Karen's husband lost the tip of two fingers from a kickback. In this case the saw stop would have had no protection. Many stupid people do incredible stupid things. A few years ago there was a company that made an octane booster for your car. The product came in a can with a twist off top. The instructions were to pour the entire contents in the tank and dispose of the can. This one imbecile used half a can and put the cap back on and not tight. He put the can in the trunk. About a week later he hit the electric trunk release. I don't know how high the trunk lid went. He then sued the manufacturer. The product was taken off of the market until it was re-packaged in a can similar to a coke can that can not be re-sealed. I could see someone turning off the saw stop, having a careless mistake and turning it back on, claiming it did not work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kennedy" <inthes...@att.net> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report.
The problem I see with allowing the technology to become a requirement is it won't be long and some idiot will have stuck his hand into a band saw or a planer and they'll think everyone needs some kind of instant stop on every machine. Clint Eastwood said it best. "A man's got to know his limitations." I had a shop opened when some clown picked up a lawn mower and tried to trim his hedges with it. The law suit that came about closed down a fairly large company and cause all the safety junk to get added on and raise the price accordingly. You know the handle you hold on a walk behind and when you let go the engine is supposed to stop instantly. Well, it didn't take long and everyone found they could tie a rope around the bale and the mower was like the good old mowers. You can turn off the Saw Stop as well so you can see the loop this starts. ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Hearn To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. While I do believe that there is a place in woodworking for the Saw Stop, I don't believe that it should be a requirement or law. I'm sure that some rehabilitation centers might push clients toward it. However, there should be room for the client to know his limitations and make up his/her own mind regarding it. Max in SC From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sherrer Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:20 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. I do not believe that the Saw Stop safety feature should be required. A woodworker should not rely on a table saw's safety feature, but the woodworker needs to rely on good, safe use of the table saw. This is my goal when I use any power equipment. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Klarich To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. I'm in favor for the Saw Stop for those who want to pay for it. The Saw Stop people are trying to make it a law that their product is a mandatory feature of all saws sold. I have a problem with this because I feel I should have the option to have the saw stop or not. I agree, the saw is very nice and smooth; but, this is true for the nicer contracter saws and on up to the cabinet saws. I know exactly what you are saying about blade tilt between the Saw Stop saw and the craftsman. I experienced this upgrading from my ridgid contracter's saw to my grizzly cabinet saw. Saws are dangerous. They cut stuff with a lot of power behind the blade. People need to realize this before they use one. All the manufacturers all have explicit warnings in their documentation. I look at all this like the lady who sued McDonalds for spilling hot coffee in her lap. I'm sure it was painful and a horible experience; but, it was her fault. Terry On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:48:13 -0500you write: > >Hi Woodworkers; >I do agree with Bob, that good table saw techniques are needed no matter how safe your saw is. The problem is that a beginner mus >t start some where. Not all the blind have training available. > >I have nicked fingers and have had wood thrown into my chest in the past, but not for a very long time. >I also believe that Blind Woodworkers are safer woodworkers than sighted woodworkers in general. > >I would like to speak in favor of the Saw Stop. >I dry a lot of my own wood, and wet wood can fire the safety feature. A nail in the wood is a more common reason for a misfire. >The Saw Stop does a have a mode where you can test the wood ahead of time to see if it will fire on the wood. This test is done w >ithout the blade running. But if I had two misfires, I still would be willing to buy another cartridge and blade. > >Another point about the Saw Stop is that it is a very nice table saw. I took an angle measurement with a TO bevel. I took that m >easurement to a dado blade on the SawStop, turn the wheel, and I was very impressed on how easy it was to bring the blade to that >angle. With my craftsman table saw, I would have to go back and fourth several times to get that angle. With the Saw Stop, I was > able to bring the blade right to that angle. So to make sure, I went past and then went down. It was very easy. > >The fence is very easy, but many saws have that kind of fence. > >Over all, even with the safety feature turned off, it is an excellent saw. 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