We've done some extra communications with enterprise partners and have come up with a new target milestone. The new target milestone for this removal is M110, with enterprise policy available for 2 milestones (M110-111).
Thanks! Ayu On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-7 Ayu Ishii wrote: > Thank you all for the approvals! > And thank you miketaylr@ for the HTTPArchive analysis! > > On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 1:12:55 PM UTC-7 Mike Taylor wrote: > >> On 6/1/22 3:52 PM, Yoav Weiss wrote: >> >> LGTM3 >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 8:58 PM Mike Taylor <miketa...@chromium.org> >> wrote: >> >>> On 6/1/22 1:34 PM, Chris Harrelson wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 8:26 PM Ayu Ishii <a...@chromium.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Mike! >>>> >>>> With the current usage measurements we see, we hadn't considered any >>>> enterprise policy for opt-out. >>>> But certainly can follow the process to do so if you feel that there >>>> may be risk of undercounting. >>>> Deprecation of WebSQL in third-party contexts added a policy that >>>> lasted 3 milestones after deprecation before full removal as an example. >>>> Although the usages were quite different from that deprecation, we can >>>> follow the same process if this sounds reasonable. >>>> >>> >>> I think this plan sounds good. LGTM1 once you have an enterprise opt-out >>> in place that will remain for 3 milestones. Also please make sure to >>> communicate this change in the enterprise notes and other communication >>> channels. >>> >>> A couple of notes I took last Friday and forgot to post: >>> >>> I dumped the list of sites from HTTPArchive (query below) and after >>> de-duping them, ended up with 835 sites. >>> >>> I then ran a script which naively looks at response codes, and got the >>> following results: >>> >>> 2XX count: 685/835 >>> 3XX to HTTP endpoint count: 74/835 >>> 4XX count: 3/835 >>> 5XX count: 2/835 >>> >>> So, from this dataset, roughly 9% of those redirect to an HTTP endpoint. >>> >> This should say HTTPS, not HTTP. I am bad at typing. >> >> That said, I think reducing risk of breakage for enterprise environments >>> is a useful and friendly thing to do. LGTM2 w/ that done. >>> >>> SELECT >>> rank, >>> url, >>> FROM >>> `httparchive.blink_features.features` >>> WHERE feature = 'OpenWebDatabaseInsecureContext' >>> ORDER BY rank ASC >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> - Ayu >>>> >>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:57:01 PM UTC-7 Mike West wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm happy to see this moving forward, thanks for pushing it ahead! >>>>> >>>>> That said, this seems like the kind of thing that's likely-enough to >>>>> impact enterprise that we should include a temporary opt-out to give >>>>> ourselves some wiggle room if it turns out that we're undercounting >>>>> usage. >>>>> Have y'all already put something like that together? >>>>> >>>>> -mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:18 AM Ayu Ishii <a...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Contact emails *a...@chromium.org, jsb...@chromium.org, >>>>>> ajayrahate...@google.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Specification *https://www.w3.org/TR/webdatabase/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Summary *We intend to deprecate and remove usage of WebSQL in >>>>>> non-secure contexts. Deprecation is targeted for M105 and removal is >>>>>> targeted for M107. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Blink component *Blink>Storage>WebSQL >>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3EStorage%3EWebSQL> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Motivation *The Web SQL Database standard was first proposed in >>>>>> April 2009 and abandoned in November 2010. Gecko never implemented this >>>>>> feature and WebKit deprecated this feature in 2019 >>>>>> <https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/commit/761bce943c0696a6bb93116eb0576ed07dbfdc65>. >>>>>> >>>>>> The W3C encouraged those needing web databases to adopt Web Storage >>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/webstorage/> or Indexed Database >>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/>. >>>>>> >>>>>> WebSQL has been deprecated and removed >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/TM6YDx1Hh08> >>>>>> for third-party contexts in M97. >>>>>> >>>>>> We hope to entirely deprecate and remove WebSQL at some future point >>>>>> when usage is low enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *TAG review *N/A >>>>>> >>>>>> Risks >>>>>> Based on usage measurements >>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/4073> >>>>>> rolled out in M97, 0.005% of page loads use WebSQL in a non-secure >>>>>> context. Less than 0.01% of top sites have adopted this feature. >>>>>> >>>>>> Out of the 20 top sites listed for the month of April 2022, 11 of the >>>>>> sites use a feature detection library Modernizr 1.5 >>>>>> <https://modernizr.com/news/modernizr-15>, on a version released in >>>>>> 2010. This would create a test database to check feature availability. I >>>>>> was unable to reproduce the creation of other WebSQL databases outside >>>>>> of >>>>>> the one created by Modernizr on these sites. 4 sites that seem to use an >>>>>> outdated >>>>>> private mode detection script <https://stackoverflow.com/q/48169810> >>>>>> which was intended for older versions of iOS. All the scripts I have >>>>>> found >>>>>> checked if window.openDatabase existed before usage, likely due to the >>>>>> lack >>>>>> of support in Gecko and WebKit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>>>>> >>>>>> Gecko: Never implemented >>>>>> >>>>>> WebKit: Deprecation shipped in iOS 13 and Safari 13 >>>>>> <https://trac.webkit.org/changeset/277564/webkit> >>>>>> >>>>>> Web developers: No signals >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Debuggability *N/A >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Not fully, one test >>>>>> <https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/web_tests/external/wpt/clear-site-data/support/test_utils.sub.js;l=136> >>>>>> >>>>>> checks the availability of the feature. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Tracking bug *https://crbug.com/1212492 >>>>>> >>>>>> Link to related intents >>>>>> Intent to Deprecate and Remove: WebSQL in third-party contexts >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/TM6YDx1Hh08> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status * >>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5175124599767040 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/bc5f407d-e6fe-4743-ae46-84541d271a92n%40chromium.org >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/bc5f407d-e6fe-4743-ae46-84541d271a92n%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/aa706101-184b-4a25-a446-6643a96e062fn%40chromium.org >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/aa706101-184b-4a25-a446-6643a96e062fn%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAOMQ%2Bw9xqv76X-fAQjvb4iiT%2Bx-GxUffO0H16AYMWDk91ma-hw%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAOMQ%2Bw9xqv76X-fAQjvb4iiT%2Bx-GxUffO0H16AYMWDk91ma-hw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/5a30e8f7-49cf-ab6e-9e36-d63fb0f139fa%40chromium.org >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/5a30e8f7-49cf-ab6e-9e36-d63fb0f139fa%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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