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On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:26 AM Ayu Ishii <a...@chromium.org> wrote: > We've done some extra communications with enterprise partners and have > come up with a new target milestone. > The new target milestone for this removal is M110, with enterprise policy > available for 2 milestones (M110-111). > > Thanks! > Ayu > > On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-7 Ayu Ishii wrote: > >> Thank you all for the approvals! >> And thank you miketaylr@ for the HTTPArchive analysis! >> >> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 1:12:55 PM UTC-7 Mike Taylor wrote: >> >>> On 6/1/22 3:52 PM, Yoav Weiss wrote: >>> >>> LGTM3 >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 8:58 PM Mike Taylor <miketa...@chromium.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/1/22 1:34 PM, Chris Harrelson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 8:26 PM Ayu Ishii <a...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Mike! >>>>> >>>>> With the current usage measurements we see, we hadn't considered any >>>>> enterprise policy for opt-out. >>>>> But certainly can follow the process to do so if you feel that there >>>>> may be risk of undercounting. >>>>> Deprecation of WebSQL in third-party contexts added a policy that >>>>> lasted 3 milestones after deprecation before full removal as an example. >>>>> Although the usages were quite different from that deprecation, we can >>>>> follow the same process if this sounds reasonable. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think this plan sounds good. LGTM1 once you have an enterprise >>>> opt-out in place that will remain for 3 milestones. Also please make sure >>>> to communicate this change in the enterprise notes and other communication >>>> channels. >>>> >>>> A couple of notes I took last Friday and forgot to post: >>>> >>>> I dumped the list of sites from HTTPArchive (query below) and after >>>> de-duping them, ended up with 835 sites. >>>> >>>> I then ran a script which naively looks at response codes, and got the >>>> following results: >>>> >>>> 2XX count: 685/835 >>>> 3XX to HTTP endpoint count: 74/835 >>>> 4XX count: 3/835 >>>> 5XX count: 2/835 >>>> >>>> So, from this dataset, roughly 9% of those redirect to an HTTP endpoint. >>>> >>> This should say HTTPS, not HTTP. I am bad at typing. >>> >>> That said, I think reducing risk of breakage for enterprise environments >>>> is a useful and friendly thing to do. LGTM2 w/ that done. >>>> >>>> SELECT >>>> rank, >>>> url, >>>> FROM >>>> `httparchive.blink_features.features` >>>> WHERE feature = 'OpenWebDatabaseInsecureContext' >>>> ORDER BY rank ASC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Ayu >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:57:01 PM UTC-7 Mike West wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm happy to see this moving forward, thanks for pushing it ahead! >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, this seems like the kind of thing that's likely-enough to >>>>>> impact enterprise that we should include a temporary opt-out to give >>>>>> ourselves some wiggle room if it turns out that we're undercounting >>>>>> usage. >>>>>> Have y'all already put something like that together? >>>>>> >>>>>> -mike >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:18 AM Ayu Ishii <a...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Contact emails *a...@chromium.org, jsb...@chromium.org, >>>>>>> ajayrahate...@google.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Specification *https://www.w3.org/TR/webdatabase/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Summary *We intend to deprecate and remove usage of WebSQL in >>>>>>> non-secure contexts. Deprecation is targeted for M105 and removal is >>>>>>> targeted for M107. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Blink component *Blink>Storage>WebSQL >>>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3EStorage%3EWebSQL> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Motivation *The Web SQL Database standard was first proposed in >>>>>>> April 2009 and abandoned in November 2010. Gecko never implemented this >>>>>>> feature and WebKit deprecated this feature in 2019 >>>>>>> <https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/commit/761bce943c0696a6bb93116eb0576ed07dbfdc65>. >>>>>>> The W3C encouraged those needing web databases to adopt Web Storage >>>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/webstorage/> or Indexed Database >>>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WebSQL has been deprecated and removed >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/TM6YDx1Hh08> >>>>>>> for third-party contexts in M97. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We hope to entirely deprecate and remove WebSQL at some future point >>>>>>> when usage is low enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *TAG review *N/A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Risks >>>>>>> Based on usage measurements >>>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/4073> >>>>>>> rolled out in M97, 0.005% of page loads use WebSQL in a non-secure >>>>>>> context. Less than 0.01% of top sites have adopted this feature. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Out of the 20 top sites listed for the month of April 2022, 11 of >>>>>>> the sites use a feature detection library Modernizr 1.5 >>>>>>> <https://modernizr.com/news/modernizr-15>, on a version released in >>>>>>> 2010. This would create a test database to check feature availability. I >>>>>>> was unable to reproduce the creation of other WebSQL databases outside >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the one created by Modernizr on these sites. 4 sites that seem to use >>>>>>> an outdated >>>>>>> private mode detection script <https://stackoverflow.com/q/48169810> >>>>>>> which was intended for older versions of iOS. All the scripts I have >>>>>>> found >>>>>>> checked if window.openDatabase existed before usage, likely due to the >>>>>>> lack >>>>>>> of support in Gecko and WebKit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gecko: Never implemented >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WebKit: Deprecation shipped in iOS 13 and Safari 13 >>>>>>> <https://trac.webkit.org/changeset/277564/webkit> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Web developers: No signals >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Debuggability *N/A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Not fully, one test >>>>>>> <https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/web_tests/external/wpt/clear-site-data/support/test_utils.sub.js;l=136> >>>>>>> checks the availability of the feature. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Tracking bug *https://crbug.com/1212492 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Link to related intents >>>>>>> Intent to Deprecate and Remove: WebSQL in third-party contexts >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/TM6YDx1Hh08> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status * >>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5175124599767040 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/bc5f407d-e6fe-4743-ae46-84541d271a92n%40chromium.org >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/bc5f407d-e6fe-4743-ae46-84541d271a92n%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/aa706101-184b-4a25-a446-6643a96e062fn%40chromium.org >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/aa706101-184b-4a25-a446-6643a96e062fn%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAOMQ%2Bw9xqv76X-fAQjvb4iiT%2Bx-GxUffO0H16AYMWDk91ma-hw%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAOMQ%2Bw9xqv76X-fAQjvb4iiT%2Bx-GxUffO0H16AYMWDk91ma-hw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/5a30e8f7-49cf-ab6e-9e36-d63fb0f139fa%40chromium.org >>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/5a30e8f7-49cf-ab6e-9e36-d63fb0f139fa%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "blink-dev" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/049f32e7-9d79-4cfc-8f91-5f7c9649bd3bn%40chromium.org > <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/049f32e7-9d79-4cfc-8f91-5f7c9649bd3bn%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Thomas Steiner, PhD—Developer Relations Engineer (https://blog.tomayac.com, https://twitter.com/tomayac) Google Germany GmbH, ABC-Str. 19, 20354 Hamburg, Germany Geschäftsführer: Paul Manicle, Liana Sebastian Registergericht und -nummer: Hamburg, HRB 86891 ----- BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE ----- Version: GnuPG v2.3.4 (GNU/Linux) iFy0uwAntT0bE3xtRa5AfeCheCkthAtTh3reSabiGbl0ck0fjumBl3DCharaCTersAttH3b0ttom. hTtPs://xKcd.cOm/1181/ ----- END PGP SIGNATURE ----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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