Hello, Blink and Web Speech API folks! I noticed from my Android WebView webexposed watchlist that https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/6422562 progresses towards the removal the "webkit" prefix from the Web Speech API.
>From what I understand, this I2S (and Chrome Status) only cover desktop platforms, and neither covers Android WebView nor Chrome on Android. However, both the prefixed and non-prefixed Web Speech APIs are exposed on these platforms, at least to the same degree as desktop. (There are some experimental APIs, but the existing/new stable API surface is already featureful and usable.) I will note that one of the demo URLs I found (https://mdn.github.io/dom-examples/web-speech-api/speech-color-changer/) suggests that the feature generally works on these platforms, but it would be good to clarify what the intentions are for WebView (and Chrome on Android). Apologies that this is only being noticed right now. It looks like a lot of the pre-existing webkit-prefixed stuff predates the recent upgrades to Android WebView's webexposed coverage, so apps might already be relying on the webkit-prefixed implementation? Ashley Newson On Wednesday, 28 May 2025 at 16:10:31 UTC+1 Alex Russell wrote: > LGTM3 > > On Wednesday, May 28, 2025 at 8:09:48 AM UTC-7 Chris Harrelson wrote: > >> LGTM2 >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 8:07 AM Vladimir Levin <vmp...@chromium.org> >> wrote: >> >>> LGTM1. Please update the TAG thread with the spec changes for posterity >>> On Tuesday, May 27, 2025 at 7:18:44 PM UTC-4 ev...@google.com wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> The spec changes have been merged and are live! >>>> https://webaudio.github.io/web-speech-api/ >>>> >>>> I believe this should be ready for Blink owners to take another look. >>>> Please let me know if you have any questions. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Evan >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 10:33 AM Evan Liu <ev...@google.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi! We discussed this at the Audio Working Group and reached a >>>>> consensus :) I have a PR out to update the spec >>>>> <https://github.com/WebAudio/web-speech-api/pull/157> and another one >>>>> to update the explainer >>>>> <https://github.com/WebAudio/web-speech-api/pull/159> with the >>>>> changes. I believe this should cover the remaining issues. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 8:04 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) < >>>>> yoav...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Any conclusions from the WG meeting? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 8:11:49 PM UTC+2 ev...@google.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It would definitely be better to make this change before the feature >>>>>>> ships, but it's up to y'all Blink owners if you think this should be a >>>>>>> blocker for this intent. The Audio Working Group is meeting tomorrow >>>>>>> morning so hopefully we'll be able to reach a consensus then! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 8:04 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) < >>>>>>> yoav...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 8:50:12 PM UTC+2 ev...@google.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the thorough review! I've opened a GitHub issue >>>>>>>> <https://github.com/WebAudio/web-speech-api/issues/156> for the >>>>>>>> remaining request. Hopefully we'll settle on an option before the next >>>>>>>> Audio Working Group meeting on 5/15! I'll update the spec as soon as >>>>>>>> we do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is this issue a blocker for this intent, or is it an option that >>>>>>>> can be added in a backwards compatible way later on? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Evan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 8:10 AM Alex Russell <sligh...@chromium.org> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Evan and Jeff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Evan: if we can get to API symmetry, I think that will help >>>>>>>> considerably. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Evan/Jeff: this seems like good advice from the TAG. When do we >>>>>>>> think we can get the bikeshed repain...er...develop updated names? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 12:12:29 AM UTC-7 Jeffrey Yasskin >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FYI, the TAG finished our review with https://github.com/ >>>>>>>> w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/1038#issuecomment-2853142041. We were >>>>>>>> generally happy with the design decisions that Evan and the WG have >>>>>>>> made, >>>>>>>> but we were still concerned that "ondevice-only" excludes some choices >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> future UAs might reasonably want to explore. We listed 5 kinds of >>>>>>>> locations >>>>>>>> that a user might want to run speech recognition (or heavy workloads >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> general), and we thought the WG should look at the concrete websites >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> want to adopt this, figure out which locations they're ok with, and >>>>>>>> pick a >>>>>>>> name based on that. We didn't think Google Meet's described use >>>>>>>> case for "ondevice-only" >>>>>>>> <https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/1038#issuecomment-2837046998> >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> even about recognition location, but it might also indicate a feature >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> WG might want to add. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeffrey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 11:31 AM Evan Liu <ev...@google.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We discussed the TAG feedback at the Audio Working Group meeting >>>>>>>> yesterday and I've posted our response here: https://github.com/ >>>>>>>> w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/1038#issuecomment-2815982645 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please let me know if anyone has any questions/comments/concerns. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think there's any particular reason to unprefix before >>>>>>>> shipping on-device, is there? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also to answer your question, Rick, I don't think there's any >>>>>>>> reason to unprefix before shipping on-device, so we might as well lump >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> together as a bundle :). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> Evan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 10:54 AM Brian Kardell <bkar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just linking this up as I see there are some questions, but the >>>>>>>> opening post seems to suggest there are positive signals from >>>>>>>> WebKit... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/443 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 16, 2025 at 10:55:52 AM UTC-4 Rick Byers wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 8:14 PM Evan Liu <ev...@google.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the detailed feedback, Jeffrey! We'll discuss this at >>>>>>>> the Audio Working Group meeting this week and I'll update this thread >>>>>>>> afterwards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Evan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 9:08 PM Jeffrey Yasskin < >>>>>>>> jyas...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FYI, the TAG left comments at https://github.com/w3ctag/ >>>>>>>> design-reviews/issues/1038#issuecomment-2803693504. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 10:22 AM Evan Liu <ev...@google.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you thinking it might be reasonable to ship in M128 (decide by >>>>>>>> branch on Apr 28, plan to merge any required changes before May 21)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That sounds like a reasonable target, assuming TAG doesn't propose >>>>>>>> any significant changes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That said, if you want to, I'm supportive of shipping the unprefixing >>>>>>>> alone >>>>>>>> <https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/6422562> >>>>>>>> now, >>>>>>>> since you already proved to us that the unprefixed API is not an >>>>>>>> opportunity to make any breaking API changes. Do you prefer to >>>>>>>> decouple >>>>>>>> that, or just wait and get the whole bundle approved to ship together? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Either is fine with me! Would decoupling just be a matter of making >>>>>>>> the changes, or would I need to create a separate Chrome Status entry, >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> position statements, all of the approvals, etc.? If it's the former, >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> might as well make the change now. Otherwise it might just be easier >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> bundle everything together. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm OK with just shipping the unprefixing under this same intent >>>>>>>> without the extra paperwork, but also it's a bit simpler if we just >>>>>>>> keep it >>>>>>>> all lumped together as a bundle. I don't think there's any particular >>>>>>>> reason to unprefix before shipping on-device, is there? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Evan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:51 AM Thomas Steiner <to...@google.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This all looks great to me! Are you thinking it might be reasonable >>>>>>>> to ship in M128 (decide by branch on Apr 28, plan to merge any >>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>> changes before May 21)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Off by one, classic. I think you meant 1*3*8 here. I know it's >>>>>>>> obvious now, but someone might once look back at this in ten years >>>>>>>> from now >>>>>>>> and wonder… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Whoops, yes of course - thank you :-). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "blink-dev" group. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >> >> >>> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/858cded5-d9a5-4b7c-a727-4cd82699d5b8n%40chromium.org >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/858cded5-d9a5-4b7c-a727-4cd82699d5b8n%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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