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Today's topics: * Veil off a few myths on Muslims in India -- and my response - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/e8e049b11a019a4a * redirected from main group - New Constitution for India - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/3254a610886c477 ============================================================================== TOPIC: Veil off a few myths on Muslims in India -- and my response http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/e8e049b11a019a4a ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Jan 29 2006 8:13 pm From: viji Dear Friends, for your information. And my rebuttals are in the bold -- Viji Veil off a few myths on Muslims in India Sanjay Kumar and Yogendra Yadav New Delhi, January 26, 2006 http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1608653,0008.htm Here are six popular beliefs about Indian Muslims. More and more people believe in them without realising the need to verify them. Heres a reality check. The special focus of the first Hindustan Times CNN-IBN State of the Nation Poll was the mood of the Indian Muslims. The Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS), which carried out the survey, posed several questions to the 15,141 respondents. Besides, several special questions were asked to 1,510 Muslim respondents. Of them, 46 per cent were women, 64 per cent were from the rural areas and 42 per cent from the north Indian heartland states. Myth of Muslim population According to the latest Census, Muslims comprise 13.4 per cent of the Indian population. But that is not what people think. When asked to gauge the proportion of Muslim populace, only one in every six came close to hitting the bulls eye. A majority interviewed cited figures well above double the real Muslim population. But the fact remains that Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in India. It constituted around 7% at the time of independence and now is nearly double of that. Myth of extra-territorial loyalty This myth is not spoken about, but hinted at. The Indian Muslims are not quite loyal to this country. In this survey, all but two per cent of the Muslims said they were "proud" or "very proud" of being an Indian. Maybe they did not understand the term. The essence of India is Hindu. -- Are they proud of it. Myth of Islam and democracy Thanks to the US propaganda, this is now a global myth. Islam is not compatible with democracy. Three-fourth of Muslims, nearly the same proportion as Hindus, firmly reject any non-democratic alternatives. In that case they won't be asking for reservations on the basis of religion. They would want secular laws instead of Muslim personal law. For the muslims here, -- non democratic means Hindu india and hence firmly reject that alternative! Myth of Muslim Personal Law Personal Law tops the Muslim agenda and they will defend it at any cost. But when asked about the most important problem faced by Indian Muslims, 69 per cent chose livelihood issues compared to only 4 per cent, who spoke of religion. An overwhelming majority disapproved of polygamy or 'triple talaq'. They have already go personal law -- So why should that be an issue any more. So much for being democratic! Now they are clawing in for economic power so as to create an extended Pakistan. Myth of Muslim appeasement Muslims are a pampered lot. But they do not feel so. One out of every five interviewed said they had personally faced discrimination on religious grounds. The more educated and affluent experienced greater discrimination. Here "pampered lot" --is by the government, press and NGOs. Discrimination is from the Hindu populace - I presume. So the comparison is illogical. Who made these surveys?? This discrimination will reduce if the Muslims will stop using secularism for their own benefits and try to be really secular for a change. Myth of irreparable Hindu-Muslim rift Many believed that Gujarat caused an irreparable rift. But the survey shows only 13 per cent Muslims feel that it cannot be bridged and about the same feel that it made no difference in the first place. The bulk feels that Gujarat had sparked tension, but things are getting back to normal. We certainly hope so. But the Muslim agenda is varied. The Delhi blasts, Bombay blasts and Coimbatore blasts were conducted by Muslim extremists for different reasons. And lastly surveys rarely reflect the truth. The truth is on the ground and we all know it is jehad here, jehad there and jehad everywhere. Once Muslims become majority their value system and beliefs completely take an about turn. You only need to look at the state of minorities Pakistan, Kashmir and Bangladesh to realise this truth. So frankly we cannot believe what the muslim minority survey in India reveal. That will frankly change the moment they have power, wealth and majority! Venkitesh (Viji) --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. ============================================================================== TOPIC: redirected from main group - New Constitution for India http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/3254a610886c477 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Mon, Jan 30 2006 12:17 pm From: Moderator BhartUdayMission Dear Milap, Send all such mails only to the BM Discussion group in future. Regards, Moderators *From:* "Milap Choraria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Subject:* A MODEL OF NEW CONSTITUTION FOR INDIA India is a democratic country. Democracy means "Rule of Law", governed by the people, for the people and through the people. Rule of Law means a system, which shall ensure that: (i) no one, whoever he may be, is above the law; (ii) transparent and good governance; (iii) corruption free accountable bureaucracy; and (iv) Guaranteed expeditious remedies. The Preamble of the Constitution of India has adopted one of the basic objects to ensure Economical, Political and Social Justice. Is Indian Democracy moving in such direction? I must put on straight record that "No not at all". In fact contrary to objects and assurances referred in the Constitution of India, in last 58 years, India has gained experiences on every counts with total dissatisfaction, as pointed out in Vohra Committee Report, thus results are: q Each and every level of the governance, immense corruption with immunity, become important part of the system; q Violation of Law with immunity is not a matter of surprise, for any one; q Remedial measures are not easily available in respect of any matter of ill-governance, prevailing under nexus between the powerful: politicians, bureaucrats and organised mafia; q Immense economical, social and political exploitation is not at all a matter of concern for any politician; and q From the whole of the country a single person from the common man can be identified who can justify that he has no grievances relates to governance at one or other level. One question may arise, that why such situation has developed? To answer, we must know the backgrounds of democratic system adopted in India. In my views Constitution of India failed to ensure good governance. Once British Prime Minister Winston Churchill viewed that the "Democracy is worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried." I am of the firm views that before formulation of his views Churchill should have defined the meaning of the real Democracy. In my opinion "Any form of the so- called democracy should not be defined or called a "democracy", till following fundamental principles are not inserted in system itself, with concrete mechanism for their implementation in real practical terms":- 1. Truth shall prevails; 2. Justice must be above all; 3. Reins of the powers should be in the hands of the people; 4. Unity, based on self reliance, self respect and self dependence amongst the people must be supreme objects; 5. Each, including Constitutional Authority should be accountable before the law and system irrespective of his status or position; 6. Justice delivery system should be easy, affordable and within reasonable time; 7. In the Election mechanism value should be given to the Voters not to the Voting; 8. Individualized Politics should not be allowed at any level and at any cost; 9. Promotions in the Politicians should be based on experience, competency and performance; 10. Distribution of the benefit of the progress and economical betterment of the country should be horizontal; 11. System should not allow to be found the ways to discriminate one to protect the powerful using skills or expertise. 12. Each Individual should be kept away from the democratic process, if he does not obey these principles with the latter and sprit. I have written "A MODEL OF NEW CONSTITUTION FOR INDIA". Please go by it and compare it with our Constitution: http://constitutionindia.tripod.com On the basis of aforesaid basic principles, time-to-time I have also made suggestions before authorities. Some were implemented in peace- meal manner, but most are never considered. Some such suggestions are referred: http://mcho3.tripod.com/goodgovernance. Milap Choraria National Convenor, Movement for Accountability to Public (MAP) ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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