>>>>> "AB" == Alex Brelsfoard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  AB> I like this idea.  I think Perl certification WOULD make the world 
happier.
  AB> Then again, I like Greg's idea.
  AB> Think maybe some of us PerlMongers could get together and actually start
  AB> up a real Perl certification program?

oy!!

perl cert has been argued at length in many fora with no victor. my
sense is the majority don't want it since it will be only used by those
who don't know perl :)

ever find an MSCE who actually knew something? most certified computer
people just pass a test but don't really know the subject. and mangler
who hire based on required certs just don't get it and they get what
they deserve.

setting up a cert group is a major project. note that most certs are
sponsored by the corp behind the product and perl doesn't have a
corp. or they are crapola ones like brainbench. perl is also too broad
and deep to properly create a standardized test. does it cover OO, CGI,
CPAN, regexes, data structures, etc and how deep? specific modules (i
have seen that and it is very dumb. you can always read the docs if you
don't know a module)?

i judge a perl (or any coder) by how they think, interact with problems,
how they solved problems in the past, etc. this is best done with a
general interview and getting them to talk about their past
projects. see the depth of their knowledge in their project areas. see
if they have the big picture and attention to detail. see how they use
their experience and skills to solve the project problems. see how fast
they pick up on project info you give them.

those are all untestable skills and they are much more important than
any rote test. if they have those skills, they can learn what is needed
on the job. if all they can do is parrot book learning, then you will
get a parrot.

uri

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