Rhonda is right. I mean if David put the subject away then why
should we continue it. Uh! remember people there are moderators
watching this list. They might not reply to these messages. But
they are listening. Oh do you guys know what it means to put
away the subject? I'm surprised that some people might not know
what that means.
Jose Lomeli
Long Beach California.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rhonda Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Braillenote List <[email protected]
Date sent: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:09:50 -0600
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing
I am starting to have dreams about this subject. In my mind, we
have totally lost of thread of what this should have been. I
feel like we've talked it to death! Pardon my two cents.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joleen Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Braillenote List <[email protected]
Date sent: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:44:15 -0800
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing
At the risk of cintinuing off topic, I feel urged to reply with
my
perceptions here.
We can be far too literal about what is and what is not
acceptable.
This seems obvious--Sighted students are not to bring electronic
equipment
that could harbor answers to tests. If there can be a way to
demonstrate
to all concerned that the unit in question does not have files or
data in
it that a blind student can use to cheet, then what is the
problem. If
someone would want to hook up a display and watch to see that
there is no
cheeting, than that is a viable alternative.
If we take this argument to its limit, then readers and braille
test
materials should not be used either because the sighted students
do not use
them. Rediculous.
It is important to get to the reason why a rule is made for the
masses and
then seek an acceptable alternative that may or may not include
the use of
the Braille Note. the answer may also be to use a computer with
a screen
reader known to the student and a keyboard familiar to the
student that the
school tech department has presented with no information on it
that could
put the blind student at an advantage.
Let's be reasonable. Exceptions will always have to be made for
us because
we are living in a world taylored for sighted people. We will
always be
different.
For me, personal integrity is all tied up in this. It was
important to me
not to cheet in any way because I gave my word. If I took a test
in
advance of the class, it was just as important that I not share
questions
or answers with class mates. That is all about honesty.
Yes, in my day, I took multiple tests orally with a reader, often
the
instructor. I typed essay questions on a manual typewriter.
David, I know that you have already put this topic to bed so to
speak. But
let me say that as you interact with your teachers, you will go
far if you
can remain objective and help them to find the best solution to
your
situation and work to resolve the issue without heightened motion
on the
topic. Self advocacy is an important skill to learn early. Our
advice is
worth what you are paying for it. We do not know your particular
situation.
I will remember to pray for you and that you will come to a
reasonable
outcome to this situation that is acceptable to all parties.
Joleen
At 05:17 PM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
I believe my sighted nieces used computers for their term papers.
The point is: if computers for testing are banned for the
sighted, then
they should be banned for us. But if computers are permitted,
then they
should be permitted for us.
I believe all government tests must be put into braille for the
blind, but
I could be wrong. I remember I had a braille SAT test in 1969 or
1970.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX
----- Original Message ----- From: "david"
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To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing
One more point. Sighted people usually don't use cell phones or
pdas for
tests or any kind of schoolwork. They usually use the plain old
pencil and pen.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karyn Campbell"
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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] braille note on testing
Mike, you still have the cheating factor as well as the fact that
sighted
students are not allowed to use computers, calculators or PDAs
for testing.
That being the case, we should not be allowed either. Case
closed.
Take care.
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