It would be neat if hw made an addon for ks that is specifically designed for braille music reading. I know you can do the same thing in a keyword document, but a specially designed program would allow you to do things specific to reading braille music like jumping to a specific measure and so forth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joleen Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:06 PM
Subject: [Braillenote] Braille Music Notation on the BN


Hi,

I use my BN to create braille music for playing chimes. I put 4 measures on a line because they fit well within the 32 cells. I number the first measure of each line so that I can easily find where our director wants us to start playing next. Sometimes it requires that I hold two chimes in one hand until I have memorized the music. When I sent my BN in for repairs, I embossed each hymn on my blazer. I don't remember exactly why now, but I chose to create a .brf file because the Keyword braille document was wanting to work on my work in some way.

Our chimes director does not know braille music, or braille for that matter, but he e-mails me a code for the print music that goes like this:

4/4 Key of C
Notes B5 and C6

He then notes when I play with the following key:

r 1 = whole rest
r2 = half rest
r3 = dotted half rest
r4 = quarter rest
r8 = eighth rest
For the actual notes, he uses the same numbers for the values and preceeds them by the alphabetic letter representing the note.

Chime music is easy to write because I only have a few notes and we are beginners.

Anyway, he says it is easy for him to convert the print music to this code. I then convert the code to braille music notation. It is a little tricky to "touch read" the music until I get it memorized. but it works for me. I strap the BN around my waist while I play and read.

I hope this helps someone.

Joleen


 At 10:37 AM 12/6/2006, you wrote:
Dear Eugenio,

Yes, I did create some of my music files using the BN. You must turn off speech and create a .brf file and type the braille music using six-key entry. If you are using a QT keyboard, the s d f and j k l keys are used to make the six dots. In order to be sure you can import the file to DBT, use manual hard returns by pressing the enter key.

Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.  Army MARS call sign AAT9PX
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Manfrini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files


Hi Terri,
I'm very curious to know since I am a musician and composer; you or someone couldn't have created the music you mentioned from the BrailleNote, am I right? If you did that would be fantastic.
 Eugenio

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:21:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files

I have heard that this problem occurs with all notetakers, not just the BN. The reason is the work processors in the notetakers don't generate hard line returns which can be read by other programs. To get around this, a person
must put the hard returns in manually.

If your file has both music and words in it with a line of words followed by
a line of music, then the file should import into DBT correctly, because
there are manual hard returns in the file.

Also, when you open a file which has both music and words in it like I
described above, be sure to open the file in line format and save it in line
format when you close the file.

Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.  Army MARS call sign AAT9PX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files


The question you should be asking is this:
How do files created using Duxbury work on the Braillenote? And, how do
files created using a Braillenote work when using Duxbury.
The translator is not the issue. The issue is Keyword. If you create a .brf file using Duxbury, you will be able to read it just fine using the
Braillenote.  However, if you create a .brf file using the Braillenote
and import it into Duxbury, your results can be quite frightening.  One
of my co-workers used the Braillenote to transcribe some music  into
Braille.  When she brought it into Duxbury, it was a disaster.  She
described it to me like this: "it was a 20 page word!"  no line breaks,
no indication as to where anything began or ended.
I am not advocating any note taker over another, but if the primary
purpose for purchasing a note taker is that you are going to use it to
create files which can subsequently be embossed using Duxbury you will
have your work  cut out for you.


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Hi Rick:

Terrific question! Let me start by saying that my bias is toward a
member of
the Braille Note family for your school district. There are several good

reasons which I will list and I will also suggest some questions you
might
pose to vendors and others knowledgeable in the field.



First, at this time, the Braille Note family has the largest installed
base
by far!  That matters because bug fixes and good support are dependant
on
the size of the population a company like this serves.



Second, I believe you will find that the Braille translator used in the
Braille Note family is Duxbury.  I know that this is not the Translator
used
in the PacMate.  In fact, this would be a serious concern were I making
this
purchase for school children.  Why the PacMate uses a different
translator
is beyond the scope of this message, but as a pure bases of comparison,
this
may be enough of a concern to rule out the PacMate.



Third, the premise of the PacMate is using commercial software.  What
Freedom Scientific doesn't address well is who will pay for the cost of
developing the set files(scripts) for the commercial software. Believe
me,
that is no small matter so that piece of the argument in favor of the
PacMate is mute to say the least and disingenuous to say the most.  If
you
accept this point, I would once again remind you of my first point about
the
size of the installed base.



Fourth, the Braille Note family uses a token system to indicate print
formatting.  As a life time Braille reader, I can tell you that this is
by
far the best system for relating to print formatting.



Now for some questions you might ask to further clarify the issues.
Rather
then asking if the files can be transferred (I'm sure they can with all
3) I'd
ask how the print format information is conveyed to the Braille reader.
I
think you will find that the token system in the Braille Note family is
the
best by far.



Hardware is a big deal!  It is also a matter of personal taste.  I hope
you
are buying units with a Braille display.  If so, you might just want to
ask
a few of the potential users which display seems most natural and
comfortable.  I would caution you in that regard that a display that is
refreshed by pressing router buttons in a location where they can easily
be
confused with other buttons is a recipe for trouble.  It will slow down
Braille reading particularly in young people.



Finally, I would look at the history of manufacturers in terms of
cannibalizing there own products by forcing customers to buy new
hardware by
unnecessarily obsoleteing  the old hardware.  This will hurt your
district
in the long run.  I trust something here is helpful.



Alan Holst



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Boggess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files


I am sorry for the earlier message which I forgot to edit to reflect
the
appropriate product name.  The message should have read as follows;

I'm looking at notetakers for our school system.  I would appreciate
hearing
from those with experience transferring Word and Duxbury files to and
from
the BrailleNote.  Is this possibel? Does formatting remain in tact?

Rick Boggess

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