I admit that, even in literary braille some of the UEB multi-character punctuation signs take some getting used to, but they do become familiar after awhile. I've only experienced UEB literary braille code. Change is almost always uncomfortable. I am not interested in becoming a defender of UEB. Its inclusion in KeySoft 7.5 simply means an extra translation table in the upgraded Duxbury translator. It will be available for those who want it, and can be ignored by those who want to do that, in the same way that I do not use many of the translation tables the BrailleNote provides. I don't understand the level of anxiety sometimes expressed on this list about UEB's being included in KeySoft 7.5. And let's leave it there, OK?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Graham Stoodley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BrailleNote List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers Hi, Graham, I looked at the list of ueb symbols on the ICEB web page. Included on this list were the symbols for math and computer braille. The list didn't include any contractions or short-form words or any of the grade 2 code. The ICEB web page admitted the rules for grade 2 haven't been finalized. I found this list of symbols to be mind-boggling. UEB has so many two-cell symbols and three-cell symbols! Look at the list and see for yourself. Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Stoodley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BrailleNote List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers > Well, Terry, there is obviously more than one view on UEB. I've > been > reading the literary version of UEB regularly for the past year, and > it's not hard to read at all. I've been reading braille for 60 > years. > At least in literary braille, tests at the National Braille Press > suggest UEB might add 2 pages more for every 100 pages of braille. > That, in my view, is not the exorbitant increase in space your note > suggests. I am not familiar with the UEB mathematics code, and so > do > not comment on it, but the UEB code for literary or textbook braille > is not the monster you suggest. Just how much experience with UEB > have you had? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "BrailleNote List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:27 PM > Subject: Fw: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers > > > I meant to send this message to the list as well as to Sharon > because > I > believe everyone should understand what this new code would mean to > us > if it > should be adopted. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Sharon S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers > > >> Dear Sharon and All, >> >> I have looked at articles and features about this code and it's my >> understanding the code isn't at all like the Grade 2 English >> braille >> currently used and it isn't like the Nemeth Code for math nor is it >> like >> the computer braille code. The UEB is a totally different animal >> and if >> it's adopted, (heaven forbid), all of us will have to learn braille >> all >> over again. It will be much more difficult to learn and cumbersome >> to >> use. The code will take up more space and it's the weirdest thing >> I've >> ever seen. Not only that, the rules haven't been finalized and >> there >> are >> several committees working on them. >> >> I know that the currently used math braille is different in the US >> and UK, >> but I don't think the literary braille or the music braille is so >> different. I have read some books and music which were brailled by >> RNIB. >> >> The bottom line is this: UEB is a step backward and it's so complex >> that >> in my opinion it will hurt braille literacy because it will be too >> hard to >> learn. >> >> I'm thankful the BN will still support the current grade 2 braille >> and >> computer braille. >> >> Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sharon S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >> >> >>> Hi, I am really behind on mail after being away for a week and my >>> PK >>> broke >>> just before I went away so I didn't have any computer access while >>> away. >>> >>> To answer your question UEB is still grade two Braille. The idea >>> behind >>> it >>> is to get all English speaking countries using the same Braille >>> code, but >>> the US hasn't taken it up. Before UEB was introduced Australia >>> used >>> a >>> different code to New Zealand so we couldn't swap any Braille >>> between the >>> two countries because we couldn't understand everything in each >>> others >>> code. >>> Now if all English speaking countries use UEB then it would make >>> it >>> easier >>> for students going overseas to study because they wouldn't have to >>> learn >>> a >>> hole new code for the country they are in. With electronic Braille >>> it >>> doesn't matter as much as long as the computer can convert between >>> the >>> codes. >>> >>> I hope this answers your questions. Let me know if you want to >>> know >>> more. >>> >>> Better go I have heaps more emails to look at and I have to get my >>> PK >>> ready >>> to post back to the shop for tomorrow. >>> From Shaz. >>> BN Classic and PK user. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Sharon on BN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> <[email protected]> >>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:57 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>> >>> >>> Do you mean grade 2 braille is no longer produced in your country? >>> How >>> terrible! Just think of how much space and paper a book would >>> take >>> using >>> this awful code! I hope the US doesn't replace the grade 2 >>> braille >>> code >>> with the UEB code! That would be a step backwards! >>> >>> Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sharon on BN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:43 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>> >>> >>> : Hi, just to let you know. All people in Australia are now >>> : intreducing UEB. Where I work we don't produce any braille that >>> : isn't UEB. I am still trying to learn it for teaching so having >>> : it in my BN QT will be very helpful. >>> : >>> : >From Shaz >>> : BN classic and PK user. >>> : >>> : > ----- Original Message ----- >>> : >From: "Carol Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> : >To: <[email protected]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> : >Date sent: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:15:02 +0100 >>> : >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>> : >>> : >Deon, >>> : >>> : >A couple of us commented briefly on this the other day . ... >>> : >>> : >Frankly, there's not that much, especially for PK users, and >>> I'm >>> : a bit >>> : >unsure about the introduction of Unified English Braille at >>> this >>> : stage >>> : >since, so far as I am aware, we're still waiting for BAUK to >>> : carry out some >>> : >kind of survey and the work is ongoing; so isn't this a bit >>> : premature? >>> : >>> : >You'll certainly find that there are a number of items that >>> only >>> : apply to >>> : >mPower users. I use a PK. >>> : >>> : >I sure wish someone from Humanware would comment about the >>> : provision of a >>> : >"lesser upgrade" for some of us, and this isn't the first time. >>> : >>> : >However, as I said the other day, I guess we'll have to run >>> with >>> : it in order >>> : >to purchase any future upgrades - and of course Humanware know >>> : this! >>> : >>> : >-- >>> : >Carol >>> : >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> : >>> : >>> : >----- Original Message ----- >>> : >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> : >To: <[email protected] >>> : >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> : ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> : ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> : >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 11:19 AM >>> : >Subject: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers >>> : >>> : >>> : >> Hi all >>> : >>> : >> Some time ago some of us, living outside the USA, stated that >>> we >>> : feel the >>> : >> limited benefits offered in the 7.5 upgrade does not warrant >>> the >>> : cost to >>> : >> us of the SMA. >>> : >>> : >> 1. How do those of you outside the USA feel? >>> : >>> : >> 2. Has Humanware taken note of this? >>> : >>> : >> 3. 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