Hi Andrew, I agree with you. If I had to buy all those extra programs, such as media player, KeyMail and so on, I would not buy a BrailleNote either only to have to spend extra to use important programs like KeyMail. Just an opinion. Alana
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Head Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2008 4:49 PM To: Alex Hall; Evelyn Weckerly; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note new keysoft feature I don't wish to sound harsh here, but if humanware took that suggestion onboard, then the brailleNote would look a lot less attractive and less people would buy it. When I transplanted from a classic to an MPower, if I had to buy email and internet capability, games, and the media centre, I probably wouldn't have upgraded partly because of the cost to get all those extra things. It just seems weird. when we buy a computer, do we have to pay extra for internet explorer, or windows media player? then why should we buy those things for a brailleNote, which is far more accessible in a lot of ways? the idea of an address list without email put in seems weird. what's the point of having email addresses if there is no email client to use them?again, just an opinion, if the brailleNote was only your suggestion of a basic operating system with no internet, media player, and so on, more people would probably buy a PAC Mate or braille sense. from Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Evelyn Weckerly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:25 AM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] braille note new keysoft feature >I quite agree with you about the features of the bn; I do not use the >radio, hardly use the planner, address list, or recorder, and have not once >used keysync, but other people do. I disagree, however, that a better >speaker would make a weight difference; the voice sense has stereo speakers >and is a couple inches smaller all around than a bn mpower or classic, and >a braille display, especially the new style, is not much weight at all. >People always want their devices to do exactly what they need/want them to >do, and because of that I think there is merit in a suggestion made last >year that keysoft be a basic operating system: wordprocessor, planner, >address list, book reader, calculator, utilities, file manager, and that is >it. You can then buy things like a media player, web browser, email, >database manager, and so on, depending on what you want your unit to do. >That way I would not have to have paid for the games, keysync, or keylist >at all as I never use them. > > Have a great day, > Alex > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Evelyn Weckerly <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [email protected] >>Date sent: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:49:23 -0400 >>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] braille note new keysoft feature > > > >>I recall an educator of the blind saying something which some of > you >>on this list are forgetting--mainly, I suppose, because you have > been >>good Braille readers for years and it's deeply part of you. That >>educator said that the games are invaluable for teaching children >>Braille skills and direction concepts, among other things. I > think >>it's time you thought about others who may either need or want > the >>games. I'm not a gamer, but I have taught English. Games often > help >>kids learn important concepts. So I'm glad they are there. You > don't >>have to use that feeature. There are a lot of things in the BN I >>don't use, but I know others do use them, so I'm not complaining. > I >>get the sense that some on this list want this device totally >>tailored to their own niche without concern for others. Somebody > this >>morning expressed a desire for larger speaker. Have you thought > about >>what that could do to the weight. The speaker is certainly > adequate >>for voice, and the headphone jack is good. I'm just losing > patience >>with some of the knitpicking lately. Please, ladies and > gentlemen, >>don't we have better things to do here? Now I know people want to >>dream, want to put for wish lists, but let's ask ourselves > whether or >>not some feature we do not like may be very valuable to someone > else >>and try to view things in a broader way. The radio happens to be >>software, as I recall Jonathan Mosen saying when he was with >>Humanware. I use mine occassionally and am glad it's there. I > don't >>use the planner. Does that mean I should holler about its > presence? >>Of course not. I recognize its value to others. Now that is an >>example. Beyond email, I don't visit Web sites with my BN. I > use a >>full-blown computer--laptop or desktop. I am, however, glad it's >>there. Now I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular--just > asking >>us all to back off a bit and gain someperspective. These are > great >>Braille devices. Mine goes everywhere with me. In fact, I just > bought >>a used one as a back-up because I could not resist the price. > >>I hope you will take my comments intended--definitely not as a >>condemnation of anyone here. So let's be a positive community of >>users and think out of the box sometimes. If you have read this > far, >>I warmly thank you all, and please forgive this something of a >>exasperated rant. > >>Cordially, > >>Evelyn > >>Hi, >>At 12:00 AM 9/25/2008, you wrote: >>>Hi all, >>>I agree on the games, but love the radio. You can get the > stations >>>via the internet if you know the call letters of the station. > Doing >>>it that way the radio is very clear. My server is earthlink and > it >>>works great for this. >>>Linda and Lilly > >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Karyn Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>To: "Braillenote Discussion List" <[email protected] >>>>Date sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:50:08 -0500 >>>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] braille note new keysoft feature > >>>>Ray, > >>>>I agree with you and would say that the games and radio are >>>luxuries we can >>>>do without. I don't use the games at all anymore. Oh yes I >>>checked a >>>>couple of them out when they first came out but that was a couple >>>of years >>>>ago I think and I haven't checked them, out since and don't >>>intend to. > >>>>These things could be sold separately for those who insist on >>>having them. > >>>>Thanks. > >>>>Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>VN QT M Power user running 7.5 B 28 >>>>Check out my Blog at packerbrat.livejournal.com > >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray >>>Campbell >>>>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:58 AM >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] braille note new keysoft feature > > >>>>Hi Paul: > >>>>With all due respect, no on the walky talky feature. You can get >>>push to >>>>talk and direct connect cell phones for that. Strictly a >>>personal opinion, >>>>but I think the FM Radio is a piece of junk and ought to be done >>>away with. >>>>I can't even get it to pick up our local jazz station and we're >>>less than a >>>>mile from its tower. > >>>>Ray Campbell, Help Desk Technician >>>>Adaptive Technology Center >>>>Chicago Lighthouse for People Who Are Blind or Visually Impaired >>>1850 W. >>>>Roosevelt Road Chicago, IL 60608 312-997-3651 (Voice/Relay) or >>>888-825-0080 >>>>(voice/Relay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>AIM Screen Name: tclhelp > > >>>>___ >>>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>copy to the list as well. > >>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: >>>9/25/2008 >>>>7:05 AM > > > >>>>___ >>>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>copy to the list as well. > >>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > >>>___ >>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>copy to the list as well. > >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > >>___ >>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>copy to the list as well. > >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > ___ > Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. > If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a > copy to the list as well. > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. 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