Thanks Dennis, I've wondered about that also--the photo says 1.2, the text says 1.3. But, my tip is clearly the one on the right, based on the relative size of the holes to the tip, and the flat milled on the bottom of the tip, between the four holes. I think the original is far larger than 1.2, and the .9 is actually the one I have at 1.2. I just think the spec and the product don't match. bmc
Let me know if you get one, and how it measures out. On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Dennis Keating wrote: > > Ben, Look at Chris' website regarding the Vivaldi steam tip. It > states the > original, bigger 4 hole tip has 1.2 mm holes. I think they supplied > you > with the wrong one. > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Benjamin McCafferty > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Another steam tip > > > Did you by chance mean the "new .9mm 4-hole tip" from Chris? If so, > it does > indeed have a different thread, but you can use a wrench on it > the first time, and then it will go in and out by hand thereafter. > This does not change the fit of any other tips into the wand, and the > adapter still goes in and out easily as well for other tips. > > However, as mentioned in my original thread on tips, the 4 holes are > quite a > bit larger than .9mm. I measure them as a very loose 1.143mm, and a > snug > 1.219mm (these are the combinations of feeler gauges I have > available). So > I'd call them 1.2mm. This may seem insignificant, but the > difference really > noticeable. > At .9mm, the holes have a total area of 2.54mm^2 At 1.2mm, the holes > have a > total area of 4.52mm^2 > > This is 177% of the .9 size. If you reference my original thread, > you'll > see why this is too much hole for the machine to handle on a sustained > basis, although it's not bad for a single drink. I just found the > holes to > be too big for really nice foam. > > Whoever asked, the hole size on the original B2 tip is a loose 1.448 > on > mine, call it 1.5mm. > At 1.5mm, the area is 1.77mm^2 > Notice above that the 4-hole tip in question is more than double > this size > in terms of hole area, and you will quickly see why it lives in my > drawer, > and not on my machine. > > This gives you a really good starting point for what the machine can > handle > on a sustained basis. Larger than about 2mm^2 will steam really > fast, but > will deplete and overwhelm the boiler. Less than about 1.5mm^2 will > be > really slow. Dividing up the area over smaller holes will be slower > but > tighter foam. Larger holes will be faster but harder to get good > foam. The > original tip is a good compromise between the two, and the new > tapered tip > may well be an even better compromise. > > Take care, > bmc > > There is one that > On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Dennis Keating wrote: > >> >> Bobcat, check with Chris , but I think the Vivaldi 4 hole tip is a >> different thread, and their adapter won't work . I am going to try >> out a tip from Taiwan that is modeled after the Isomac, but with >> three >> small holes. >> However, I only steam about 4 oz milk, so a bigger tip might be too >> frisky for that - just playing. So far, my fav is the Gold Pro 2 >> hole. >> >> - Dennis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Bobcat >> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:32 PM >> To: Brewtus >> Subject: Re: Another steam tip >> >> >> Thanks Dennis, I'll give them another try. Hopefully I won't end up >> with another one of the standard factory tips. That's what they sent >> me last time. Has anybody else ordered this pointy snout tip from >> WLL? >> Is the one pictured on their site what you received? >> >> On Oct 27, 2:43 pm, "Dennis Keating" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> WLL >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf >>> >>> Of Bobcat >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:24 AM >>> To: Brewtus >>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip >>> >>> I just ordered the 2 hole Isomac and the 4-small-hole Vivaldi from >>> Chris' >>> Coffee. Loking forward to trying both, but I'd still like to get one >>> of the single hole tapered body tips linked by the original poster. >>> Can anybody point me in the right direction? >>> >>> On Oct 27, 2:21 am, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Yes, that tip is the right idea. I have the one in the link below, >>>> but unfortunately the holes are bigger than advertised and too >>>> large >>>> for good performance on the B2. It's not bad, but not the >>>> "perfect" >>>> tip. So far the 2-hole isomac is my daily driver, and the one-hole >>>> Brewtus is a close second. >>> >>>> tx, >>>> bmc >>> >>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:00 PM, rutnip wrote: >>> >>>>> Nice international border symmetry! The reason that I was looking >>>>> at this tip in the first place is that 1st-Line (Gold Pro) will >>>>> not ship to Canada. I will look for the 2-hole Isomac. >>>>> Benjamin, is this: >>>> >>> http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/repairpartssection3/ >>> new4hole... >>>>> what you are looking for? >>> >>>>> On Oct 26, 6:26 pm, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Sigh. Shaun always makes me feel like the Grasshopper. I can >>>>>> pour a really nice 6 ounce latte, but I only aspire to something >>>>>> that >> small. >>> >>>>>> Anyway. I use the 2-hole isomac (small holes) and Shaun uses the >>>>>> 2- hole Gold Pro. They are nearly identical, and make excellent >>>>>> foam for anything latte size or smaller (Italian latte, not >>>>>> American swimming pool latte). The stock one-hole does a nice >>>>>> job, but as you said, takes a bit more "hand". >>> >>>>>> Search on "tip experiment" and you'll find a lot of info. >>> >>>>>> tx, >>>>>> bmc >>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote: >>> >>>>>>> There are a few tips out there that I'd like to play with but if >>>>>>> you don't want to try a bunch of experimentation and it's just >>>>>>> good milk you are looking for there have been some really >>>>>>> solid >>>>>>> threads on the subject in the archinves (quite a lot of work >>>>>>> done by Ben) and the recommendations made at that time are >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> in my opinion. As long as you go with a recommended tip, and >>>>>>> practice, you can pour some fantastic microfoam with the >>>>>>> Brewtus. >>>>>>> I pour great milk every single day. Here's an example of a four >>>>>>> ounce beverage I had a few days ago in my own kitchen: >>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/staylortravelling/4007313284/ >>>>>>> sizes/o >>>>>>> /i >>>>>>> n/ >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> 57594496028315/ >>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> --------- - >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> Shaun Taylor >>> >>>>>>> http://shaundoreenevankeegan.blogspot.com/ >>> >>>>>>> http://shaunseye.blogspot.com/ >>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Benjamin McCafferty >>>>>>> Sent: 26 October 2009 15:59 >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another steam tip >>> >>>>>>> My suspicion is that this tip will make it easier to draw air >>>>>>> into the milk during the stretching phase, but will not make any >>>>>>> difference during the rolling phase (which is where I feel the >>>>>>> one-hole tip could be stronger). Let us know how it goes. I've >>>>>>> tested lots of tips, but don't think I'll be trying this one. >>>>>>> What I really would like to see is a four-hole that actually has >>>>>>> holes .9mm or smaller. >>>>>>> bmc >>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bobcat wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> I've been wishing for something like this for a long time. The >>>>>>>> tapered tip looks like it would make it easier to get good >>>>>>>> microfoam. The original tip is just too bulbous. I'm ordering >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> right now. >>> >>>>>>>> I tried to get a tip that was supposed to be similar to this >>>>>>>> from WLL about two years ago. They described it as the new >>>>>>>> latte >>>>>>>> art steaming tip. After ordering it I was informed that it was >>>>>>>> on backorder, and it would ship as soon as they had it. >>>>>>>> They went ahead and charged my credit card and I eventually >>>>>>>> forgot about it. Then, about 6 months later, a tip showed up >>>>>>>> that was identical to the one that came on my machine two years >> earlier. >>>>>>>> That was the last time I gave them any of my business. >>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, rutnip <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Does anybody know anything about this?http://www.zcafe.ca/ >>>>>>>>> site/ >>>>>>>>> Product.aspx?ID=472 >>>>>>>>> I wonder if it really is an Expobar product.- Hide quoted text >>>>>>>>> - >>> >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Brewtus" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
