Thank you. Can you give me any advice on how to replace the whole assembly? Is there a video?
Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2017, at 10:39, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> wrote: > > +1. When I originally said, “Replace the solenoid”, I meant the assembly—the > magnet and the valve/piston come as a unit. Your disassembly and reassembly > bought you a day, but I will still bet dollars to doughnuts that the solenoid > is sticking and just found its old position after a day of use. Hard to > explain what I’m trying to say, but it’s worn in a certain way and will > probably work its way back to that and keep sticking, as you’ve seen. > > It would be normal/expected for the magnet to still work; it’s not the moving > part. > > Best of luck. > bmc > > >> On May 17, 2017, at 07:01, herman dickens <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Sounds like you need to replace the solenoid. >> >> Herman >> >>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Howard Griffin <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> I think I have made some progress. I examined the fill sensor and it seemed >>> clean so I left it alone. I then proceeded to test the fill valve solenoid >>> as outlined in Todd's WLL video (beginning at 18:08 here: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIiLeRdVWAU). >>> >>> I disconnected the fill sensor and the pump and switched the power on and >>> off to see if the solenoid clicked the valve open and shut. >>> >>> I could not hear the solenoid clicking. >>> >>> I took the solenoid off the valve and measured the resistance across the >>> solenoid with an ohm meter, getting a reading of 369 (see photo). In his >>> video Todd got a reading of 400, and I don't know if my lower reading of >>> 369 indicates a problem. >>> >>> Before re-coupling the solenoid to the valve I rewired it and tested its >>> magnetism with a screwdriver, and it seemed to have plenty of magnetic >>> strength. >>> >>> I reattached the solenoid to the valve and, lo and behold, the valve >>> started clicking again when power was applied! Even though all I had done >>> was removed and reattached the solenoid to the valve. I put the machine >>> back together and it worked fine for the rest of the day. >>> >>> The next morning the problem was back: the pump would not stop running >>> after powering up the machine. I did manage to finally get the pump to stop >>> running after repeatedly turning the power on and off and raising and >>> lowering the brew lever between power cycles (about 15 times before the >>> pump went silent and the machine began to heat up). >>> >>> What does this suggest? To this noobie it seems like the fill valve may be >>> sticking. If it needs to be cleaned or replaced, how do I do that? I can't >>> find any instructional videos or guides for that. In his video, Todd simply >>> says that if, after verifying that the solenoid is good, you're not getting >>> water through the pump, then you have to take it apart and clean it out or >>> replace it. >>> >>> Thanks for your help. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Ben McCafferty <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Yes, that's the ground. Usually you can just clean it but no harm in >>>> replacing. >>>> Best, >>>> bmc >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 07:46, Howard Griffin <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes that makes sense. Thank you for the thorough and thoughtful >>>>> explanation. I am committed to figuring this out and fixing it myself. I >>>>> assume that the "ground probe" is this part:<level probe.jpeg>. When I >>>>> ordered the new vacuum valve I also ordered this part too, but didn't >>>>> install it after the machine started working again. So I guess my next >>>>> step is to install the new probe. I will let you know how that goes. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Sorry, one more thing. If all of that fails, and if I’m correct on the >>>>>> solenoid being fired by relay, there is a chance the relay is the >>>>>> culprit, which means replacing the giemme controller (this did happen on >>>>>> mine also—both things failed eventually). I’d wait for someone else to >>>>>> chime in with more knowledge than me (Todd, Ira, etc.) before purchasing >>>>>> the giemme. But, for reference, I think the giemme was about $75, the >>>>>> solenoid maybe $100. So still very worthwhile repairs if the rest of the >>>>>> machine is doing well. >>>>>> best, >>>>>> bmc >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 07:12, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Howard, >>>>>>> I think you’re mixing up a couple of causes/symptoms. Here’s what >>>>>>> happens (normally) when the machine comes on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --It senses whether the steam boiler is full via the ground probe that >>>>>>> sticks into the top of the boiler (and can be adjusted up or down, by >>>>>>> the way). >>>>>>> --If not, it opens the solenoid (via relay in the giemme controller, I >>>>>>> believe) and starts the pump, until the water in steam boiler reaches >>>>>>> the ground probe. >>>>>>> --It then stops the pump and the solenoid closes. >>>>>>> --The pump is now available to push pressure on demand through the brew >>>>>>> boiler, which only happens when the lever is lifted to its top position. >>>>>>> --The steam boiler heats first, and when it’s close to pressure, the >>>>>>> vacuum breaker you cleaned closes and makes a seal to let pressure >>>>>>> build. >>>>>>> --The brew boiler heats second, to a preset temperature. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now then, if you think about it, the vacuum breaker has nothing to do >>>>>>> with startup (it is not engaged until well after the problem you’re >>>>>>> having). So here’s what you check: >>>>>>> —Is the ground probe in the steam boiler connected and clean? >>>>>>> —If so, you would look to either a stuck solenoid or a failing/failed >>>>>>> pump. >>>>>>> —Since you are developing 10bar of pressure, and the pump won’t quit, >>>>>>> to me that says two things: >>>>>>> —First, your pump is working, i.e. developing pressure in the >>>>>>> brew boiler >>>>>>> —Second, the pump is trying to fill the steam boiler, and can’t >>>>>>> —Because of these two things, I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that >>>>>>> the solenoid is stuck, and so no water is reaching the >>>>>>> steam boiler, and so the solenoid never closes and shuts off >>>>>>> the pump. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Make sense? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, check the easy thing first (ground probe and wire, both ends), and >>>>>>> then move on to ordering a new solenoid and replacing it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Others may have additional thoughts, but I’ve been down this road and >>>>>>> it wasn’t this clear cut. The 10bar in the brew boiler is a dead >>>>>>> giveaway, in my opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best of luck and keep us posted! >>>>>>> Ben/bmc >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 06:48, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thought I had this problem solved after I took apart and cleaned the >>>>>>>> vacuum relief valve. It worked fine for the past two week but now the >>>>>>>> issue has recurred. When I turned the machine on yesterday morning the >>>>>>>> pump began to run and the pressure went up to 10 bar. The pump would >>>>>>>> not stop running and the pressure remained at 10 bar. I turned it off >>>>>>>> and tried starting it again several times thoughout the day but the >>>>>>>> behavior was always the same: constantly buzzing pump and pressure at >>>>>>>> 10 bar. Eventually a high pitched squeal developed along with the pump >>>>>>>> noise and I haven't turned it on again for fear of burning out the >>>>>>>> pump or causing other damage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any ideas? I have a brand new vacuum relief valve that I will install >>>>>>>> tonight. If that doesn't help I'm stuck. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Howard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 14:59, Howard Griffin <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have had my Brewtus III-V (vibration pump) for almost seven years. >>>>>>>>> Its usual behavior upon startup has been to buzz for a few seconds >>>>>>>>> (5-10 seconds) and then start to heat up. The buzzing usually >>>>>>>>> terminates with a very brief uptick in volume before stopping. A >>>>>>>>> typographical representation might look like this: [click on] >>>>>>>>> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRR [noise stops machine begins to heat up]. >>>>>>>>> Sometimes there would be no buzzing at all upon turning it on and it >>>>>>>>> would begin to heat up right away. This was its normal behavior until >>>>>>>>> recently. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, when I turn it on the buzzing frequently goes on for a very long >>>>>>>>> time—up to three or four minutes before resolving in an uptick in >>>>>>>>> volume, like this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [click on] >>>>>>>>> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRR >>>>>>>>> [noise stops machine begins to heat up]. Sometimes it still starts >>>>>>>>> up with no noise and begins to heat up right away. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is something about to fail on the machine? What should I check? Any >>>>>>>>> advice would be appreciated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Howard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Brewtus" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Brewtus" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Brewtus" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Brewtus" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Brewtus" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Brewtus" group. 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