At 11:32 PM 3/5/01 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>> Which would leave us virtually without righteousness in the world.    After
>> all, how many people are there out there who are completely unwilling to
>> say that they are doing "the right thing" in comparison to at least
>> somebody else.
>
>Saying /= doing.  Pounding your chest, waving your hat and yelling "Follow
>me!" does not make you a leader.  Neither does proclaiming yourself morally
>superior make you so.  Especially keeping in mind, as others have pointed
out,
>that morality is largely relative.  

This is bait and switch Doug.

Let's review the context of our discussion here.

I wrote: "Yes, I do think that the United States is morally superior to
Russia."

You replied: "In my opinion, those that proclaim themselves morally
superior are, by
definition, not."

Are you now amending this to say that "In my opinion, those that pound
their chest and wave their hat while proclaiming themselves morally
superior, are, by definition, not."?  

>> Question:
>> "Are you more moral than Adolf Hitler?"
>> 
>> If you get more than a hanful of "no" responses, I will be shocked.
>> 
>
>I don't really understand how this relates to the discussion.  I thought we
>were discussing moral superiority, not the moral bottom rung.

This was very relevant in the context of our original discussion.   You
proposed that "those that proclaim themselves morally superior are, by
definition, not."   I am seeking to disprove the proposition.   The above
question would almost certainly get a great many people to proclaim
themselves morally superior - I am now asking you to follow up on the
consequences of your proposition, and say that none of these people
answering "yes" to the above question would, in fact, be morally superior.

JDG

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   majority rule.   We live by laws and a variety of isntitutions designed 
                  to check each other." -Andrew Sullivan 01/29/01

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