At 10:52 AM 5/25/01 +0300 Charlie Bell wrote:
>Gah. When are you going to learn any grace at all, and are you ever going to
>listen to what people are *actually* saying instead of what you think
>they're saying based on your own prejudices?
You have a very peculiar definition of agreeing with me. Indeed, I did not
realize you were agreeing with me, and at least two others apparently did
not either.
I went back and reread your post. You spent the first part re-asserting
your points, and then at the end, made a mild concession statement. It
was very difficult to reconcile the top with the bottom.
In particular, you wrote: "I was pointing out that of the most
important inventions, many, if not most, of them came from elsewhere in the
world. "
No matter how you slice it Charlie, I strongly disagree with this statement
- and as long as you held to it, agreement between us was not possible on
this issue.
>You are incredibly arrogant. You haven't conceded one point on this, not at
>all. You haven't accepted the fact that I actually agreed with you. I was
>just using the phrasing of your statement as an example of arrogance.
Actually, I have repeatedly acknowledged America's flaws from the beginning
of this discussion. If there is a point that you wished me to concede - I
am unaware of the specifics of it.
>As I happily admit. I just dispute that it was the leader between 100 - 200
>years ago, when Europe controlled most of the world, and most of the great
>advances happened in Europe.
This is a brand new issue, both in terms of the timeframe, and also in the
assertion of there being a *single* leader (as opposed to a group of
leaders at the forefront) - and one I was unaware we were discussing. (And
yes, the second issue was opened in my post on America being "not just
another country" - but not before then.)
JDG
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