> From: Baardwijk, J. van DTO/SLBD/BGM/SVM/SGM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Van: Jim Sharkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> > Joshua, unless the U.S. is, indeed, looking to become a place wherein
> > you are randomly stopped and must present your ID to authorities,
*how*
> > is it helping to acknowledge who is supposed to be in that country?
>
> Then again, the Dutch do not distrust their elected government as much
as
> Americans seem to distrust *their* elected government.
The only way you can know you are free is if you can freely distrust /
critisize the government.
>
>
> > Jeroen, between driver's licenses, credit cards, business ID's, and
the
> > multidinous *other* forms of identification people already have, an
ID
> > card would just be redundant. So your bit about having an ID card
"so
> > your family can be warned" is BS.
>
> If you already have ID cards, then why are you so afraid of getting
another
> one? Are you afraid it contains everything there is to know about you,
and
> everybody would be able to read it?
Do you want your genetic information on these cards? It's coming.
> <mild sarcasm>
> Oh no, wait, those new cards contain some GPS hardware, so the
government
> can keep tabs on where you go!
No that would be all year 2000+ cell/PCS phones.
> </mild sarcasm>
>
>
>
> > Another ID card only adds to the bureaucracy that's already here; I
> > doubt that all the other forms of ID that people carry will suddenly
go
> > away.
>
> It might (at least to some extent), depending on the features of that
new ID
> card. For instance, I carry with me a passport, a driver's license, a
credit
> card, a debit card, membership cards and telephone cards. Personally, I
> would *love* to trade them all in for just one card I can use as ID and
> driver's license and credit card and debit card and membership card for
the
> book club and use it to pay for public transport and use it in a public
> phone booth and <etcetera>.
>
> When set up properly, anyone accessing the information stored on the
card
> will only see that part of the data they are allowed to see.
>
The system will be cracked within days of coming out. Then criminals
will be able to do anything with your identity. ANYTHING.
>
> > And that, too, will cause grumbling.
>
> First you people complain when you have to start carrying ID cards,
then you
> complain when you no longer have to carry them. Could you people make
up
> your minds about what you want? :)
I do not want any of these, never have, never will, and will fight to the
death to not have these.
