> From: Baardwijk, J. van DTO/SLBD/BGM/SVM/SGM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Van: The Fool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> > > Then again, the Dutch do not distrust their elected government as
> > > much as Americans seem to distrust *their* elected government.
> > 
> > The only way you can know you are free is if you can freely distrust
/
> > critisize the government.
> 
> In The Netherlands, we can freely distrust and criticise our
government,
> without having to fear repercussions. We do not, however, have a
problem
> with having to carry some form of ID.
> 
> 
> > > If you already have ID cards, then why are you so afraid of getting
> > > another one? Are you afraid it contains everything there is to know
> > > about you, and everybody would be able to read it?
> > 
> > Do you want your genetic information on these cards?  It's coming.
> 
> As long as that information is only accessible by people who need it, I
do
> not have a problem with it.

Who gets to determine 'who needs it'?

> > > When set up properly, anyone accessing the information stored on
the
> > > card will only see that part of the data they are allowed to see.
> > 
> > The system will be cracked within days of coming out.  Then criminals
> > will be able to do anything with your identity.  ANYTHING.
> 
> That might be. 
That will be.  No system like this for hiding info on a portable device,
like as cd, dvd, etc. has been secure.  It can't be secure.  They can't
even stop people from making perfect copies of 'uncopyable cd's'.

> But criminals might also hack the bank's computers and empty
> my bank account. When I order something over the Internet and pay by
credit

Much harder to do.  Corporate firewalls, Sesion encryption.  Encrypted
Databases...

> card, someone might hack the line and get my credit card number. When I
pay

More session encryption.  Think you can break even 64bit encrytion? 
Think again:
http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/

> with my credit card in a restaurant, the waiter can copy the number of
my
> card onto a piece of paper and use it for criminal purposes. All this
does
> not stop me from having a bank account, a debit card and a credit card,
> though.

 
> Someone might crack the system and get all my medical information. But
if
> someone breaks into my doctor's office and breaks into the computer
there,
> he could also get my medical records. It does not stop me from seeing
my
> doctor when I need him, though.
> 
> There is always some risk of people obtaining and misusing such
information,
> but the benefits (being able to spend my money, getting medical aid
when
> needed) greatly outweigh the risks.
> 
> 
> > > First you people complain when you have to start carrying ID cards,
> > > then you complain when you no longer have to carry them. Could you
> > > people make up your minds about what you want?   :)
> > 
> > I do not want any of these, never have, never will, and will fight to
> > the death to not have these.
> 
> What do you do when the government makes it mandatory anyway, despite
your
> objections? Are you going to bomb the government agency that
distributes
> those cards? Pack your bags and move to some tiny island state (pop.
1,300)
> somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean?

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