<< So what? You say you lack vision. Fortunately for the human race (and SF 
fans!), not everyone does. >>

Again, you have completely missed the point. This thread is about the notion 
proposed a decade or so ago by Francis Fukuyama that the defeat of communism 
by liberal capitalist democracy somehow constituted "the end of history" 
because, according to Fukuyama, there could never be a successful alternative 
to liberal capitalist democracy that could challenge and replace it. I said 
that just because Fukuyama couldn't conceive of such an alternative, such a 
potentially successful challenge, didn't mean there would never be one. To 
demonstrate Fukuyama's fallacious reasoning, I pointed out that there are 
plenty of historical examples of similar flawed thinking, of groups who never 
even questioned that their system could possibly ever be dislodged. 

It doesn't mean that at other times there were not people with vision or 
imagination, people who saw alternatives. If there weren't, there'd never be 
any change. This is about the vast majority of people who DON'T have vision 
or imagination. This is about anyone who believes that the dominant 
social/cultural/political/economic force of his own particular time is 
destined to ALWAYS REMAIN the dominant social/cultural/political/economic 
force forever and ever. Which is most people.

See, I'm actually on your side. Fukuyama was wrong, and so are people who 
have thought like him in the past. I'm just pointing out that he's only the 
latest in a long series of people who were similarly wrong.



Tom Beck

"I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I didn't realize I'd also 
see the last." - Jerry Pournelle

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