> From: Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > In a message dated Fri, 7 Dec 2001  8:35:26 PM Eastern Standard
Time,
> > "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Why do some people persist in posting HTML messages?
> > >
> > > I use AOL.  The AOL 7 software cannot be configured to send just
text.
> >
> > What exactly does aol provide that a person can't get thru a good
ISP?
> > It also seems to me that you should be able to use any email client? 
Am
> > I wrong??
> >
> I prefer not to *tell people what to do*, though that appears to be
what The
> Fool is doing in a mild sort of way, I too dislike AOL.
> 
> But I have used AOL to access POP3 mail from another ISP using Outlook.
(I'm
> sure any email client will do). So you might be able to get a POP3
account
> and keep AOL.
> 
> AOL charges 5 or 6 dollars a month for their service if you are
acccesing
> the net from a different ISP. I know people who do this for their kids.
> 
> Right now I'm on a cable modem service, and half the mailing lists I'm
on
> are delivered to MSN. I configured Outlook to look for mail on 4
different
> accounts on 3 different servers and have had no problems.
> 
> That being said, ITS RANT TIME!!!!!!
> 
> Html mail posting has become so common on the net that it has become
normal
> everyday for many. Why dont the Luddite bastards <G>that bitch about
wanting
> plaintext just upgrade their mail to accomodate reality.
> I fully understand the complaints about posting graphic image files in
mail,
> I even agree, but I havent seen anything in HTML mail postings that was
> offensive in any way, except to those with out of date mail programs. I
fail
> to see why the biggest ISP in the world (AOL) and the biggest groups of
> users (newbies and AOL users), cannot be accomodated.
> Let the non-bitching resume!

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There are plenty of things wrong with HTML, things like JavaScript
embeded messages and web-bugs and cookies.  Do you know how spammers
verify your email so you never get off spam-lists?  If you open a HTML
message that contains a 'web-bug' that connects to the web and informs
the spammer that your email is valid.  That spammer will sell that
information to any and everyone.  'Web-bugs' can even access cookies on
your machine and send them to person who put the web-bug in the message.

JavaScript, the Anti-christ of the computer world, can in HTML messages
do anything that it can in a web browser, open windows, do all kinds of
viral marketing BS.  Do not get me started about the evils of JavaScript.
 

This section is from a rant I made to a different list:
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Do not post in HTML.  Especially do not post HTML that contains Java.  Do
not do this for several reasons.  I know hotmail can post in plain-text.

1.   Some / quite a few people do not have an email reader that
understands HTML/XML or 'alternative' messages.

2.   It contains Java.  This is very similar to having sent a virus to
the list.  This is also  similar to having spammed everyone on the list.

3.   Normal newsreaders and email clients wrap text at something between
70 to 75 characters.  There are several reasons for this.  Some email
clients are command-line only, and only display text in the standard
widths that a screen in text mode shows: 80 characters wide by 24 high. 
There are several o/s's that are text only: most varieties of linux,
UNIX, bsd, AS-400's, IBM mainframes, etc.  So when you have extended
paragraphs without wrapping set properly, this can cause issues with
these clients.  Also some clients are not written to handle extremely
long paragraphs that do not wrap because that is not how messages are
supposed to be.  This can cause buffer issues in some clients, because
the paragraph goes beyond the width of the buffer for the line.  Oops. 
Half of the paragraph just got lost / ignored.

3.a  HTML does not Wrap.

4.   Almost all HTML messages change things like 'font color' and 'font
size' and 'font'.  This can be very annoying.  There are two color used
when displaying text, 'forecolor' and 'backcolor'.  Almost all HTML
messages set _ONLY_ one of these values (forecolor).  Now this causes
problems because the other color is the default color used (usually the
windows backcolor).  If the default color is similar to or the same as
the color that the HTML uses, there are problems.  How exactly do you
read something that is black against black, or yellow against white or
dark blue against black?

5.   HTML messages sometimes replace ASCII characters with HTML tags.  So
apostrophes and other characters become some XML looking gibberish.  I
have yet to see Microsoft Internet Explorer properly display these tags
that are supposed to 'replace' apostrophes with actual apostrophes.  
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More evils of JavaS***:
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,48177,00.html
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> The Fool replied to:
> > > hi could u explain what a java/javascript is?
> > 
> > [...]
> > It is pure Evil, the complete essence of unholiness.
> > It is a plague not unlike locusts.
> 
> Excellent!  May I quote you?

Of coarse.  You may sig. me anytime.
 
> > Java-script messages take the Evil to an unprecedented level.
> 
> The idea of executable content in email messages is, I think, one of
> the stupidest ideas ever.  I personally read email in an ancient Unix
> text client (with a y2k issue ;-)) just so I don't have this problem.

Exactly.  And when a message shows up blank, then I have pretty good idea
of why.

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Reading your mouse movements

Some mouse movements are common to all
By BBC News Online's Alfred Hermida 
A website that can read your body language and know what you want before
you have even clicked on anything may sound like science fiction. 
But this is what researchers in the US are working on. 
A team at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Boston, US,
say they have developed a way to record mouse movements on a page and
learn how people behave when they are on the internet. 
They found that certain movements of the mouse are common, allowing them
to predict how someone uses the web. 
This sort of information would be invaluable to content providers who are
looking for ways of increasing the effectiveness of their websites. 
"Just by looking at the way the mouse moves, I can tell whether you are
reading a web page," says Ted Selker, an MIT professor focusing on
context-aware computing. 
"I can tell because when you read a webpage, you do one of a couple of
things. You either shovel the mouse off to the right so that it is out of
the way, or you will walk down the page with your mouse," he told the
BBC's Go Digital programme. 
Follow the Cheese 
The system developed by the team at MIT is called Cheese, since they are
following the mouse, like a mouse follows cheese. 
 This is incredible. Can you imagine if I can actually tell that you
wanted to press a link but didn't       
Ted Selker, MIT         
It provides the means to find out exactly how people navigate a webpage. 
The researchers say that if you could analyse in real time how someone
goes through a website, the content and navigation could be adapted to
create a more personal experience. 
"This is incredible," says Mr Selker. "Can you imagine if I can actually
tell that you wanted to press a link but didn't. 
"And 75% of the time, I can tell that you were looking at a website but
you didn't click to buy a vacation but were thinking of taking a
vacation, while doing your travel plans." 
"I can change the way the travel site prepares material for you based on
what intentions and interests you've demonstrated through your actions
that aren't even recorded in the links you followed." 
Current technology 
The system developed at MIT works by including mouse movement data
automatically with embedded scripting. The information is analysed and
stored on a server. 
This collection technique is implemented using current technology and
does not require any additional software on the user's browser. 
For their study, the researchers took a group of 17 people familiar with
computers and web browsing, but from diverse backgrounds. 
They recorded the mouse activity as people performed a list of tasks
common in web browsing, such as ordering a CD. 
The data was evaluated by redrawing the mouse movements on each page for
each user and then visually comparing the patterns on mouse behaviour. 
Predicting choice 
In one case, people were asked to buy a CD or DVD of their choice. 
 We're working very hard to make those kind of natural simple
communications that people make with their body through computer
interfaces      
Ted Selker, MIT         
By studying the mouse movements, the researchers were able to predict
what their second choice would have been. 
This was done by determining the link on which they hesitated longest
before clicking their first choice. 
Some people occasionally moved the mouse straight to the link of interest
without hesitation. The MIT team believe this behaviour shows that a user
has visited the page before and is familiar with its layout. 
"People are extremely good at remembering graphic design," says Ted
Selker. 
"So when you act like you know where you are going on a place where you
have no reason to know, then we know you have been there before." 
Computer scenarios 
The researchers now plan to put together a website with content that
would change according to mouse behaviour. 
The research by the team at MIT is part of their efforts to create a
world where desires and intentions are enough to get computers to act on
our behalf. 
They aim to do this by developing environments that use sensors and
artificial intelligence to create so-called "virtual sensors" - adaptive
models of users to create keyboardless computer scenarios. 
"We're working very hard to make those kind of natural simple
communications that people make with their body through computer
interfaces so that people spend less time and effort trying to
laboriously remember what command to type," says Mr Selker. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1528000/1528426.stm

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And I am sure I can dig up a lot more if pushed.

</SUPER anti-HTML RANT>

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