Jeroen asked <<So, you believe that Arabs have an anti-life culture?>> Those who send/go to commit suicide and take other with them? Of course. You see any evidence that it isn't so?
I wrote <<And if you want example - Judaism does not permit/support/encourage blowing yourself up with your enemies for the glory of your God.>> Jeroen wrote <<This may come as a surprise to you, but neither does Islam. Such actions are only justified in the minds of people with a very narrow and shortsighted interpretation of the Koran.>> Unfortunately there are too many of them <<You really should read it some day.>> I did. Did you read Bible, Talmud, Zohar? I wrote <<Check you data. All this thing of territory A, B, C. Also check history. Unfortunately Israeli army, however armed it is don't stand much chance if it is not ready to erase those villages totally.>> And Jeroen have chosen to relate only to the last several words. So I have no idea if he knows difference between territories A, B and C. Jeroen <shudder> <<Ready to wipe out entire villages? That sounds like Israel is run by those old hardliners from the Soviet Union...>> I'll try to explain again - You say - people in Arab villages are not mach against Israeli tanks. *I* am trying to explain to you, that this is right *only* if Israeli army would take full advantage of what it can do with those tanks - i.e. erase the village. Otherwise they'll lose. Is Israeli Army erasing Arab villages? No it is not. There are Israelis who died of their wounds, because Israeli army avoided this same thing - erasing villages and waited to Palestinian authorities to help to evacuate wounded. Again - if you ask for *my* opinion - after linch in Ramalla, it should have been erased. As for "old hardliners from Soviet Union" - although we have several parties who represent new-commers from Soviet Union (3 or 4 I think), the only one you can call right-wing is "Israel our home" and they have only one representative in government (yes, this is not enough). We have 120 members in our kneset and 24 ministers (way too much) - I am sure their ancestry is part of public record - you are invited to check it if you are interested. I am almost sure that only 10 of them are not Israeli-born. I wrote - Jews and Arabs are both Semitic nation - you can read it in the Bible. Jeroen answered <<Cannot do that. Do not have one.>> You should. So you are missing important data about Israeli-Arab conflict. I also wrote <<Both Jews and Arabs belong to Semitic nations.>> And Jeroen answered <<I am not disputing that. I am only pointing out to you that in real life, I have only seen and heard the term "anti-Semitic" used for people who criticized Israel, not for people who criticized Arabs.>> So you also know that this word is misused. I asked <<Why should I write nice things about Arabs.>> Jeroen asked <<Why not?>> May I remind you that you have nothing nice to say about Israel? Jeroen << Not all Arabs want to destroy you and your country. I know there are groups in Israel and Palestine in which Israeli's and Palestinians work together, in order to better understand each other, which may eventually lead to peace.>> Where? I heard of this possibility - only it was always out of Israeli borders.>> Jeroen <<Just like not all Israeli's are war-mongering idiots like Sharon, not all Arabs are evil people who want to destroy Israel.>> My Prime Minister Is Not Idiot. He is army general, as most Israeli Prime Ministers before him and he fought in almost all Israeli wars. Which makes him understand the importance of stopping it once and for all. And he also knows that we can never do it if we are weak. As for the second part of your sentence - I wrote what we got from two Arab countries that we are in peace with. And there are those who are in open war. If there is any Arab country that does not to destroy Israel - I didn't hear from it's government. You can argue, that there are individual people. May be. But there is not enough of them to make difference. Jeroen wrote <<And for the record: Europeans as a whole are not anti-Israel. Many of us just do not believe that Israel's politics are the way to go, and we do not go out into the streets to wave the Israeli flag and yell "Death to all Palestinians" every time a bomb goes of in Jerusalem.>> I answered <<Neither do we, unfortunately.>> Jeroen asked <<Do you realize that it is exactly your kind of attitude that will prevent peace? It is the kind of hardlining you and your government display that stands in the way of the peace process. If Israel maintains it black-and-white idea of "Israel good, Arabs evil" it will never know peace.>> Excuse me, do you *read* what I am writing? Or are you answering to yourself. What part of "Neither we, go out into the streets to wave the Israeli flag and yell "Death to all Palestinians" every time a bomb goes of in Jerusalem." You did not understand? Are you mis-informed or are you intentionally picking only information that suits (sp) your views? This current intifada there were several terrorist attacks, (Dolfi disco - 22 kids, for example) that Israel preferred not to react to. This brought only more terrorist attacks. As far as *I* feel - better alive and in war than dead. For curiosity sake - Do you know who said: "I am ready to kill for my country, do you think I would have problem with lieing for it?" Jeroen wrote <<Israel has this policy of destroying homes of families of Palestinian terrorists and launching helicopter attacks on buildings of Palestinian government and police after terrorist attacks. I would say that qualifies as "reaction to each terrorist act".>> Check your data. There were no reaction to several terrorists acts. And while you are talking about "launching helicopter attacks on buildings of Palestinian government and police" you may remember that Palestinian authorities were warned ahead to evacuate those buildings. Other news - yesterday Vitaly Binus succeeded to return fire and to kill one of two terrorists that shoot on his car. His life is still in danger, I hope he'll make it. Jeroen wrote <<You make it sound as if all of Europe would like nothing better than to see Israel and the Jews wiped from the face of the earth.>> I asked <<I don't know. Would you?>> Jeroen answered <<No.>> I added <<You certainly behave in such way.>> Jeroen wrote <<We do? How? We still do business with Israel. We still maintain diplomatic relations with Israel. We aided in the defense of Israel during the Gulf War.>> When we got bombed it our cities. How? Jeroen << We do not round up and deport Israeli's when Israel launches another attack against the Palestinians. Heck, the Dutch Minister of Defense even supported Israel's most recent actions against Yasser Arafat.>> There is a problem with English "you". I am talking to *you*, Jeroen, not to your government, as I am representing *me* Ilana and not my government. I wrote <<At the other hand, may be you simply do not understand. You, believe, that, if, Israel, will, leave, "territories", it would, survive.>> Jeroen wrote <<It certainly would not be a bad move -- it would give the Palestinians one less reason to attack Israel.>> You *are* reading what you *are* writing, I hope. Giving Palestinians "territories" would give them *one* less reason to attack Israel. You *are* thinking that they'll still have their reasons to continue attacking. And the way to Natania would me much shorter and much easier (7 km). And listening to the world's reaction to TWC terrorist attack - it would not gain us support - it would only cost us many-many lives. Ilana from Israel
