Halupovich Ilana wrote:
> 
> I wrote - there is no symmetry between Israeli soldier and Palestinian
> terrorist.

Terrorism is loosly defined as the use of terror, fear, and the threat
of violence to achieve political, social, or economic goals.  When
Israeli troops fire randomly into crowds, assasinate people on the
suspicion of terror involvement, and kill the members of your community
who are politically active leaders, how does that not equate to
terrorism from THEIR perspective?

> Jeroen wrote
> <<There *is* symmetry -- you just refuse to see it. And by refusing to see
> it, you give the impression that you believe Israel and the Israeli's are
> superior to the Palestinians.   :-(>>
> Not exactly, but any individual-oriented, pro-life culture (however
> misguided it is), is superior to group-oriented anti-life culture. And if
> you want example - Judaism does not permit/support/encourage blowing
> yourself up with your enemies for the glory of your God. What *I* believe is
> that Arabs want to kill me. (I have plenty of evidence) and I feel justified
> to prevent them from doing it.

..and I believe most GOBs from Alabama want to kill me because I have
long hair and have friends who are gay AND black, but I'm not allowed to
arrest them on suspicions... I guess that's the beauty of the US system
of government. </slight sarcasm, a little wry personal bit, but not much
substance>

> Jeroen wrote
> <<If there were cartridges, and there were bullet holes, there were bullets.
> It makes sense that the woman showed the cartridges, not the bullets;
> picking up cartridges from the floor is a lot easier than prying those
> bullets out of the wall.>>
> If there were cartridges it means that somebody shoot *from* this house. So
> reaction *was justified.

smells more like a media event than concrete evidence (IE - showing the
cartridges is more powerful a media moment than pointing at some shot-up
plaster)

> I wrote
> <<Europeans are not anti-Semitic. They are pro-Arabs and anti-Israel. Both
> Jews and Arabs are Semitic.>>
> Jeroen wrote
> <<You need to understand how the word "anti-Semitic" is used. When someone
> criticizes Israel, there are always people who will immediately label that
> person "anti-Semitic" (and I am speaking from personal experience here).
> That does not happen however when someone criticizes Arabs -- or at least,
> *I* have never seen that happen.>>
> Which is mistake. Check your Bible. Both Jews and Arabs belong to Semitic
> nations.

The common use of "anti-Semitic" is in regards to being biased against
Jews & Israel.

> Jeroen wrote
> <<You make it sound as if all of Europe would like nothing better than to
> see Israel and the Jews wiped from the face of the earth.>>
> I don't know. Would you? You certainly behave in such way. At the other
> hand, may be you simply do not understand. You, believe, that, if, Israel,
> will, leave, "territories", it would, survive. I would like to share your
> optimism.

I don't think Jeroen is representitive of all Europeans.

-j-


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