At 08:39 25-12-01 +0200, Ilana Halupovich wrote:

>Jeroen asked
><<So, you believe that Arabs have an anti-life culture?>>
>Those who send/go to commit suicide and take other with them? Of course. You
>see any evidence that it isn't so?

I believe it goes way too far to say that Arabs as a people have an 
anti-life culture, just because *some* of them commit suicide and take 
others with them.

Over the centuries, huge numbers of non-Christians people have been killed 
in the name of Christianity. Does that mean that the Christians as a whole 
have an intolerant, anti-life culture?


><<You really should read it some day.>>
>I did. Did you read Bible, Talmud, Zohar?

The bible? Some of it. Talmud? No. Zohar? Never even heard of it. Maybe you 
should send me a copy of both as a X-mas gift...


><< Not all Arabs want to destroy you and your country. I know there are
>groups in Israel and Palestine in which Israeli's and Palestinians work
>together, in order to better understand each other, which may eventually
>lead to peace.>>
>Where? I heard of this possibility - only it was always out of Israeli
>borders.>>

Given that the Israeli government apparently finds "disagreeing with the 
government" enough reason to arrest people, I can imagine that such groups 
within Israel keep a low profile.


>Jeroen
><<Just like not all Israeli's are war-mongering idiots like Sharon, not all
>Arabs are evil people who want to destroy Israel.>>
>My Prime Minister Is Not Idiot.

You should go live in Europe for a while. Over here, he is generally 
considered an extremely dangerous man, and a war criminal.


>He is army general

Being and idiot and being an army general is not mutually exclusive.   :-)


><<Do you realize that it is exactly your kind of attitude that will prevent
>peace? It is the kind of hardlining you and your government display that
>stands in the way of the peace process. If Israel maintains it
>black-and-white idea of "Israel good, Arabs evil" it will never know
>peace.>>
>Excuse me, do you *read* what I am writing? Or are you answering to
>yourself. What part of "Neither we, go out into the streets to wave the
>Israeli flag and yell "Death to all Palestinians" every time a bomb goes of
>in Jerusalem." You did not understand?

Your exact reply was "Neither do we, unfortunately". This suggests that you 
believe the Israeli's should go out into the street and yell "Death to all 
Palestinians". Such an attitude only drives Israel away from peace, not 
towards it.


><<Israel has this policy of destroying homes of families of Palestinian
>terrorists and launching helicopter attacks on buildings of Palestinian
>government and police after terrorist attacks. I would say that qualifies as
>"reaction to each terrorist act".>>
>Check your data. There were no reaction to several terrorists acts. And
>while you are talking about "launching helicopter attacks on buildings of
>Palestinian government and police" you may remember that Palestinian
>authorities were warned ahead to evacuate those buildings.

Ah, and that makes it okay? So, if a Palestinian wants to destroy an 
Israeli police station by blowing himself up inside the building, that is 
just fine too if he warned the Israeli police beforehand to evacuate the 
building?


>There is a problem with English "you". I am talking to *you*, Jeroen, not to
>your government, as I am representing *me* Ilana and not my government.

That is indeed the problem with English. Fortunately, the Dutch language 
does make such distinctions, so for the sake of better understanding 
between all people in the world, I suggest you all learn Dutch as soon as 
possible.   :-)

BTW, in your case that distinction is hardly necessary, since your views 
and your government's views seem to be pretty much identical.


Jeroen

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