----- Original Message -----
From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Brin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Treatment Of Prisoners (was RE: Tragedy in Israel)


> At 11:46 12-1-02 -0500, John Giorgis wrote:
>
> >JDG - Who thinks that if the US treatment of these prisoners is violating
> >human rights, then we should hold a party - because clearly all the
serious
> >human rights abuses in the world have been solved.
>
> Very bad taste, John. Your statement suggests you believe human rights
> abuses come in two categories: serious ones, and ones that are not
> serious.   :-(
>

Clearly, they come in an array.  If China's most questionable acts with
respect to human rights were about this level, it would be a cause for
celebration.  If Switzerland's most questionable acts were at this level, it
would be an improvement.

BTW, I heard the news conference that showed the film on which the news you
saw was based.  I never heard that the prisoners were totally unable to
move.  Indeed, to use the portable urinals, they had to have some range of
motion.  Since you claimed this several times, could you please reference
your source for this...something that stated that the prisoners were
incapable of any motion whatsoever.

Dan M.

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